Will Scotland leave the UK after Brexit and be governed by Brussels?

This has been interesting to read, surely Scotland could thrive as an independent country outside of the EU, she has massive natural resources and a low population, I would not wish to see the UK break up but a prosperous neighbour next door would be no bad thing, we will always be friends no matter what happens, except when it comes to sporting events!

a reply to: sapien82

Take it up with wiki?

a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

There were calculations done that showed that Scotland would be providing a surplus/net gain to London coffers from the oil reserves


en.wikipedia.org...

"It must be concluded therefore that revenues and large balance of payments gains would indeed accrue to a Scottish Government in the event of independence provided that steps were taken either by carried interest or by taxation to secure the Government 'take'. Undoubtedly this would banish any anxieties the Government might have had about its budgetary position or its balance of payments. The country would tend to be in chronic surplus to a quite embarrassing degree and its currency would become the hardest in Europe with the exception perhaps of the Norwegian kroner. Just as deposed monarchs and African leaders have in the past used the Swiss franc as a haven of security, as now would the Scottish pound be seen as a good hedge against inflation and devaluation and the Scottish banks could expect to find themselves inundated with speculative inflow of foreign funds."

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

So it was in fact actually classified ?

was it because it had to do with the nation at the time surrounding the Falklands and anything which could be considered intel for the enemy could be used against us , such as large volumes of Oil which would fuel the war machine ?

I think its interesting to know that we started losing control when we borrowed from the IMF

BBC British History

Prime ministers questions last night , first question , Would the prime minister prevent Nicola Sturgeon from calling a second indy ref and she said yes she would actively prevent sturgeon from calling a second indy ref!


Looks like the rest of the UK is stuck with its burden

a reply to: sapien82

You know I'd always want Scotland to remain part of the Union.

But if there is enough demand for another IndyRef in Scotland then it would be wrong for Westminster to deny them that right.
The Right to Self-Determination is a democratic right and we should be consistent in its application.....and why would we want to keep Scotland bound to a Union if it didn't want it?

I'm not sure there is enough demand....at present.

I'm sure if this Brexit shambles drags on much longer demand for another IndyRef may well increase.

a reply to: Freeborn

It looks like its not on the table at all , May believes that the Indy ref 2 would just bring further division and not allow the UK to move forward together to perfect a deal and she is right it will only bring division now before brexit

however can you really stop rats from jumping a burning ship ?

a reply to: sapien82

Since when have politicians cared about divisive policies?
Division is the order of the day.

I'd love to see us all set aside our petty differences and work together rebuilding the nation post-Brexit....but it isn't going to happen.

a reply to: Freeborn

aye funny eh , how on one hand politicians claim they love Unity!

and one Union is worse than another

and when we want independence its all of us together .

mental!

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

There were calculations done that showed that Scotland would be providing a surplus/net gain to London coffers from the oil reserves


en.wikipedia.org...

"It must be concluded therefore that revenues and large balance of payments gains would indeed accrue to a Scottish Government in the event of independence provided that steps were taken either by carried interest or by taxation to secure the Government 'take'. Undoubtedly this would banish any anxieties the Government might have had about its budgetary position or its balance of payments. The country would tend to be in chronic surplus to a quite embarrassing degree and its currency would become the hardest in Europe with the exception perhaps of the Norwegian kroner. Just as deposed monarchs and African leaders have in the past used the Swiss franc as a haven of security, as now would the Scottish pound be seen as a good hedge against inflation and devaluation and the Scottish banks could expect to find themselves inundated with speculative inflow of foreign funds."

I don't understand why people think that if Scotland gained independence, the UK would just give up the oil fields. You can bandy words like maritime borders or whatever but in simple real world Real Politik, the UK would, at best, give up an equal share.

It is absolute folly to assume otherwise. Energy security is one of the biggest factors facing nation states going forward - it is a key component of all security planning.

a reply to: Flavian

So Scotland leaves the UK and just gives up its rightful territory because it used to share a Union with the rest of the UK
so by that logic Scotland are entitled to take half of what England has in its territorial waters, or an equal share
so we are just to abandon sovereign territory now ? So because we are leaving the EU
the EU are entitled to a share of our fishing , energy resources, because we were in a union with them ?

doesnt work like that , if Scotland leaves the Union it does so with its territory intact
that includes the oil fields and the fishing waters!

a reply to: sapien82

All Unions aren't the same.

The UK Union bears no resemblance to the US Union.

Fortunately neither resembles the monstrosity that is the EU.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Flavian

So Scotland leaves the UK and just gives up its rightful territory because it used to share a Union with the rest of the UK
so by that logic Scotland are entitled to take half of what England has in its territorial waters, or an equal share
so we are just to abandon sovereign territory now ? So because we are leaving the EU
the EU are entitled to a share of our fishing , energy resources, because we were in a union with them ?

doesnt work like that , if Scotland leaves the Union it does so with its territory intact
that includes the oil fields and the fishing waters!

It would have absolutely zero to do with with rightful territory (which it would be) and everything to do with Real Politik. It would mean, in essence, the rest of the UK giving up control of it's own energy resources. As a NATO P5 member, G8 member and 5th largest economy, it simply wouldn't happen that way.

There would be serious negotiations, probably behind the scenes. For example, Scotland "gets" it's oil fields but only after signing over 50% of resources coming out. I'm afraid that's how the real world works for the bigger players - it has nothing to do with "rights" or "fairness".

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Eveyone knows the Scots use our money and just put their pictures on it. Moving to the euro will be extreme for them.

Only joking Scotland. England loves you 👍🏻

knew we should have got a pre nump!

a reply to: Flavian

which is exactly why we shouldnt be in a Union, because its not right or fair on all members of the Union or for the people !

Strangely I think there is a good case that Brexit would make Scottish independence less likely. ( certainly in the case of a hard brexit)

Many of the economic and social arguments against brexit would in turn apply to Scotland if the rUk is out with the single market.

It's time England chose true independence instead of leaching off Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland to get by. History shows that England has always needed to steal the resources of other countries to keep it afloat.

How many countries worldwide celebrate an independence day, Independence from English rule?.

Scotland doesn't Need England, England would be a basket case without our Oil and Gas. # that on the side of a bus.

a reply to: Flavian

We want Newcastle back, I like brown ale.

originally posted by: ManyMasks
a reply to: Flavian

We want Newcastle back, I like brown ale.

actually can we have Newcastle ?