Will Scotland leave the UK after Brexit and be governed by Brussels?

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82

No idea. If they were yours you should have looked after them a bit better, perhaps?

Yes you are right.

The scottish parliaments initial order of business in 1999 should have been.

1. Buy used Delorean.
2. Invent flux capacitor.
3. Go back to 1970s and get a better deal on north sea drilling.

a reply to: sapien82

Aha!

Took you a while to get round to blaming Thatcher. You not up to speed today?

a reply to: ScepticScot

Aye abelio are dutch owned they run our trains, Network Rail maintain the infrastructure

and Abelio are robbing us blind ,
I pay £480 a year to stand for 20 minutes each day to and from my home on trains from the 70's
and the price goes up each year

a reply to: ScepticScot

Sounds like a plan? Good luck.

a reply to: oldcarpy

I just couldnt remember how it all went down , but of course I remember now

thatcher squandered the oil revenue on fixing problems everywhere else but scotland !

thatcher and north sea oil


look the tories have a track record of #ing the UK

lets abolish them as they are detrimental to the health of the UK
studies have shown tory policy has increased the mortality rate !

a reply to: oldcarpy

Well, it will make the trip from London to Scotland a lot quicker, won't it

Why, when it's cheaper and quicker to fly.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Sounds like a plan? Good luck.

We are having trouble finding a short Canadian in a body warmer to drive the damn thing.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Scots to Get £5 Billion Bail Out for HS2 from English Taxpayer

Yeah, I know, it's the Daily Mail but do have fun. Remember "fun"?

a reply to: oldcarpy

By a Chinese state owned exploration company. Not just us thieving English making free with your natural resources...

And guess who sold them the rights to drill for our Oil. Do you actually know how North sea Oil and gas exploration and extraction works? London sells off in blocks of the seafloor to whoever is the highest bidder, then London collects the tax on the finds. All Oil pumped directly onto tankers is not even classed as part of Scotlands GDP because it never touched our shore. Whisky exports are taxed from the port it leaves from, England.

England keeps Scotlands GDP as low as it can, wherever it can, and we still pay more into the UK economy per head than the rest of the UK without the dirty tricks to keep our GDP down.

Ain't it funny how we used to have thriving ports in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and our very own financial centre in Edinburgh. As soon as the Oil was discovered Westminster shut down Scotland Financial Centre and systematically closed our ports.

If the people of Scotland knew half of what goes on we would have voted for independence way back in the 70's

a reply to: Soloprotocol

All Oil pumped directly onto tankers is not even classed as part of Scotlands GDP because it never touched our shore.

So, why would it be Scottish oil in the first pace?

a reply to: oldcarpy

Yeah, I know, it's the Daily Mail but do have fun. Remember "fun"?

Yip, You said it, Daily Fail. File under Pish.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Never heard of International waters either?.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: oldcarpy

Yeah, I know, it's the Daily Mail but do have fun. Remember "fun"?

Yip, You said it, Daily Fail. File under Pish.

You may not like the Mail but this Is in the Autumn Statement but you go ahead and ignore it anyway. What was that about gummy bears and fingers in ears and going la-la-la-la, again?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Your point is?

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: oldcarpy

Never heard of International waters either?.

Apologies I'm not in the habit of speaking for others, but in this case did you not mean Scottish territorial waters!
They are our waters according to law !

just As England , Wales and Northern Ireland have their own territorial waters !

so we are just ignoring territorial claim to waters now ?

a reply to: sapien82

Marine Scotland: Information

OK, you can have any oil out to 12 miles then.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82

Marine Scotland: Information

OK, you can have any oil out to 12 miles then.

I'll see your 12 raise you 188.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: oldcarpy

well it looks as though the oil fields or the majority lie on the UK continental shelf and are subject to international laws
and were divided up among nations using the median line rule and according to some in the UK was far too lenient with the line in terms of Norway and London benefited more from the median line rule !

Now check this out

He says: "I don't think London should be under the assumption they automatically have the median line they should not even have to negotiate it. I think that would be a serious mistake because Scotland could ultimately bring this to the international court of justice and perhaps prevail there with a different line."

and this

"Although lawyers could have a long debate about it, in terms of economics, it does not make all that much difference." If Scotland were to get a "geographical share" based on the median line it would mean about 90% of the UK's oil resources would be under Scottish jurisdiction.

According to research by Prof Kemp, in 2010 the Scottish share of total oil production in the UKCS was more than 95% while for gas it was 58%. The Scottish share of total hydrocarbon production (including NGLs) was 80%. The Scottish tax share exceeded 90%. This reflects the much higher value of oil compared to gas. No discussion has yet taken place between the UK and Scottish governments on the detail of what would happen to oil revenues.

BBC - "it's Scotlands oil"

a reply to: ScepticScot

Nah - this is how we did it - you mugs! Like taking candy from a baby:

How westminster Plundered the North Sea and Sold Out Generations of Scots

One thing you forget is the oil/gas was not generally just there for the taking - it required explorers to spend lots of money and take considerable risks to get the stuff out.

You Scots could not have done that on your own.