I suppose I can go ahead and share my experience here now. Can you just explain this away for me?

originally posted by: just2cents
a reply to: GreenGunther

It was, but I doubt fluoride causes alien abduction. It just dumbs people down.

You ask for opinion yet, your stance on the subject seems clear.
I can’t take any experience like this as real when sleep is involved.
Your mind is way more powerful than you know, especially during the developmental stages as a teen.
Schizophrenia usually presents in males during their teens.

I’m not saying you have a mental disorder, simply trying to state that various external and internal factors could be the cause. But your mind is made up. It’ an alien abduction. Follow your heart

originally posted by: Weagle
a reply to: TheTruthRocks

Oh I just re-read it and think I misunderstood that part, thanks. I read this:

I was just fifteen years old and exhausted after a long day of riding my bike and playing with friends. We had built a fort in an abandoned field behind a tree nursery. I laid down and went to go to sleep...

and was thinking that this was more of a camping situation and they were sleeping in the fort. Figured the friends who helped build the fort would still be there. Wonder if any parents, siblings, etc at home? Was just thinking maybe someone else had experienced something or been able to observe OP during the event.

I was thinking the EXACT same thing. I thought him and his friends laid down in the fort to go to sleep.

Other then that sounds like you had SLEEP PARALYSIS. Whenever I hear "I was going to sleep", "I was lying down", "I could not move", "I saw aliens, hat man, ghosts etc" I think of Sleep Paralysis. I experience SP as well quite often, 2-3 times a year, my entire life. It is VERY FRIGHTENING and it seems very real and you will also swear that you weren't sleeping.

This is just my opinion from what I read & all the times I've had Sleep Paralysis myself.

Btw just posted haven't read anything else but the first couple posts.

a reply to: Macenroe82

My guess is that most that experience these 'probing' episodes just keep it to themselves not wanting to attract any ridicule.

On the other hand most UFO researchers may just be in it for the money VS exposing the truth...

Example:

"Joe is obviously not popular with many UFO believers for ‘blowing the whistle’ and revealing the deception behind it all... Ex-MUFON UFO researcher Joe Jordan is often attacked for exposing the deception of other researchers who are covering up the truth about UFO's."

"We got a coverup among the researchers themselves that people are relying on for the truth" ~ Joe Jordan

If it was aliens, then Jesus helped.
If it was demons, then Jesus helped.
If it was a dream, then Jesus still helped.


Quit rejecting Jesus, people.

originally posted by: japhrimu
If it was aliens, then Jesus helped.
If it was demons, then Jesus helped.
If it was a dream, then Jesus still helped.


Quit rejecting Jesus, people.

I rejected Jesus, and I've never been abducted.

Wouldn't it be crazy if everyone saying it was sleep paralysis because they've had similar things happen to them, are actually all describing abductions, but since everyone else who has experienced them has put them down to sleep paralysis, no one believes the truth?

I've had plenty of sleep paralysis. To the point I give in to it and knowing what it is, enjoy the experience. Or at least, allow it. No aliens or insects, just those whispers and muffled conversations and the sense that something or someone is there. Frozen in place, unable to move.. remove the panic and it's wild.

But still, Jesus wasn't invited and I, and my bum, are fine.

a reply to: gallop

... for now...

...but when it happens, will you just remove the panic, and since you know what is happening, enjoy the experience?...

I pray it’ll never happen to you, so maybe it won’t.

a reply to: japhrimu

Huh, interesting and powerful thought. Perhaps the dream was trying to tell me something.

originally posted by: japhrimu
a reply to: gallop

... for now...

...but when it happens, will you just remove the panic, and since you know what is happening, enjoy the experience?...

I pray it’ll never happen to you, so maybe it won’t.

That's why I don't need Jesus. You've got my back!

Thanks man!!

Please do not turn this into Jesus hating thread. Regardless of what I, or any of you, believe personally, I'd hate for my post to be the reason that any of us are smited by him. Just hedging my bets. With that said, I'm leaning toward this being an episode of sleep paralysis, I hope.

a reply to: just2cents

Or maybe mjolnir strikes you.

That would be way cooler.

a reply to: reject

But then who threw it?

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Sleep paralysis, or "dreaming while you're awake." If you can manage to move even one little finger, or speak out loud, that will usually bring you up out of it. You could have said "Ronald McDonald" instead of Jesus Christ, and the result would have been the same.

Amazing how tons of people keep having almost the exact same dream, huh?

I guess we can chalk it up to another one of those Amazingly Impossible Coincidenses!

a reply to: 3n19m470

I would suppose if we are all watching the same media and learning the same things, it would make sense to all have the same dreams.

Hi just2cents. Thanks for sharing your experience.
My 2 cents could go on for a long time, but that I have been amnesiac for much of my life and, perhaps fortunately, don't remember too much.
Still - RANT warning.
Sometimes I remember details, not too much.
In recent times what I do remember (at times, often they go again) is just the basic fact of having had many experiences before I turned 18.

What gets me now is how very similar and quite often exactly similar some of my experiences are to others.

The man who posted about the levitation and feeling of a stick up one's bottom - I have had it numerous times with numerous endings.

I have had the stick insects experiences numerous times. And many other types, I think.

What are these? Aliens? Firstly I can't claim to know, but I actually thing most I important is that, 1. these are probably mostly paranormal experiences (in comparison with normal, every day occurrences), but much more importantly:
2. this whole world, this whole dimension is paranormal and not what you think. It's all magic, essentially. I think Elon Musk is coming fairly close when he talks about a replicated dimension as if in an artificially created computer software world - whether AI or not as smart as AI. What may come closer, I think, is the world the 'trobutes' are taken to in the 1st Hunger Games film - complete with suddenly crafted killer canines as and when desired as each person has their own lives controlled from beyond. Surmising perhaps, it's hard to know how to put it.

When studying philosophy, you'll have to get to grips with what might seem to the man on the street to be sci-fi type scenarios, but are taken incredibly seriously - as serious as anything can be - in the world of basic reason of philosophy. These are questions such as - is this world and everything in and off it pre-determined or do people really have free will at each moment and therefore nothing is pre-determined in advance? (Obviously, if everything is pre-determined, no-one can ever have free will. Those who believe they are choosing their lives day by day under free will, would be suffering a delusion.) Other basic philosophy questions include - are we really free agents or are we just high grade machines? Also, do we have a real mind / soul or are we merely material 'behaviourists'? (Behaviourists may be pure material beings who just do act in certain ways, which may seem to be acts of someone who has a soul and mind, but really are the acts of a being who happens to do certain things, without a soul or mind.)

There's no need to get into any of that deeply or at all really. It's just to point out that everyday assumptions about our world and what human beings or animals are might obscure the truth, or at least might obscure other ways of thinking - which may be very relevant.

So what kind of paranormal experience do I believe you and others and myself have had?

While I don't know, I tend to think that much of it is simply demons - demons who are either currently typically in human form in this world, or who are yet unborn but who will have human form in the future, or demon 'ghosts' who have had human form in the past.

The stick insects, the greys, the reptilians - I don't think these are aliens from a different planet but demons who are usually in human form (actually born humans, born of a human mother and father) who have shape-shifted.

Shape-shifting is an incredibly old, known happening, and it may be done by a demon who decides to do it themselves or the shapeshifting may occur upon a person (may not be a demon at all) who has it forced upon them by a demon. Shape-shifting is also incredibly weird, but it happens.

It sounds like we are entering the world of fairy tales - and yes, I really believe the truth of this dimension can be to extents in these kinds of world.

I believe I have shape-shifted in the past, against my will, to become a wolf - a straightforward wolf. I think it happens.

The real nature of shape-shifting can't be weighed up exactly. The main thing is apparent visuals - you apparently see, you think you see, a person in a particular other form. The form can be a monster or cryptid. It may be the transferal of soul or mind or both into a certain seen and possibly felt (smelt and the other senses too) appearance or apparent experience of an appearance.

Here is a contrast to that. This paranormal world also admits real physics.
(On the other hand, it may not be possible to separate anything, any physics and all everyday occurrences though, from the overarching paranormal. I don't know.) Anyway, there is very much top secret, overtly non-paranormal technology, of vast untold capabilities.

I don't believe it has been reverse engineered from technology of aliens from distant solar systems. But maybe it has. I tend to believe that the aliens many report are either paranormal or technological themselves - such as Project Blue Beam and other holographic technology and similar top secret terrestrial projects. The non-paranormal representations of aliens is probably to hide technology and secrets which governments and certain parties have had for either most of a hundred years, or hundreds of years.

This is a key part of the main theme of the X Files, the most important UFO / alien media presentation of our lifetimes - reaching into hundreds of episodes over around 25 years, and drawing some of the highest audiences of any TV. The theme is - an ongoing question, ar there really aliens or is the whole apparent presence of aliens a whole disinformation and disorientation project to cover up secret technology that the powers that be think should always be kept from public knowledge.

I have had experiences and I will briefly say I have been involved in some secret stuff in my time, while not in recent decades and I don't know if I can remember any of it. (Or if I'd live, or live a free life if I ever did remember and broadcast it!!!)

What I am more or less sure of is that the 'anti-christ' mostly controls this world and is above governments. Its control may be so awful, that it may become nearly impossible to judge people - people in governments for example. Because you just don't know if they have been "body-snatched".

If expert enough, and many have training, you can hypnotize someone to jump off a building and kill themselves (a plot of an old Columbo episode), not knowing what they are doing. Mind control can be triggered very easily by a very small noise or act or particular succession of things.

Anyway, I've experienced in my time mind control where I would do things against my will, which can be devastating, so when thinking of people in publicly known places of power (the publicly known places are always the puppets I think), you just don't know if they are to be blamed or not. Breaking free of mind control may be harder to the victim than having a camel pass through the eye of a needle, yet it may still be possible.

There we go. The interweaving (bad term and allusion, but I'm very tired) of the paranormal with apparently more understandable ways such as hypnotic control (yet that also may always be, simply, plainly, black magic) and physics which is explained by models of physics and repeatable instances of detail, is both extremely weird and yet also I think probably is definitive of this world.

I needed to make that rant, I think. Thanks for the opportunity.

originally posted by: 3n19m470

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Sleep paralysis, or "dreaming while you're awake." If you can manage to move even one little finger, or speak out loud, that will usually bring you up out of it. You could have said "Ronald McDonald" instead of Jesus Christ, and the result would have been the same.

Amazing how tons of people keep having almost the exact same dream, huh?

I guess we can chalk it up to another one of those Amazingly Impossible Coincidenses!

Brilliant - a forum which discusses the recurring phenomenon of more than one person having the same dreams.
I thought this was not a subject which could be broached.
Around 14 years ago I went to a few websites which had people sharing what they felt were the weirdest dreams ever.
I had had most of those dreams, exactly as the others had, myself, years before.
I didn't want to admit it because it can seem like the epitome of a very impressionable, perhaps mentally unstable, person just with a lot of energy maybe, alighting on everything he or she reads, as being of their lives also.

So it's good to see the phenomenon discussed by others.
What it told me was that paranormal control of some kind was not limited to the spheres of my own life, but incorporated so many other people, perhaps everyone in the world.
So detailed, and highly weird dreams, now fitted exactly into the kind of human realm of claimed instances of the Jungian Collective Unconscious. Jung's Collective Unconscious theory refers to the existence of similar or exactly the same myths, legends, stories of ancestors and origins and just everyday meaning or modes being shared with peoples all over the world from ancient times. The theory goes that these peoples lived too far away to have the same actual story origin, and it is explained by that all or humanity (and maybe the animal world?) has a shared unconscious realm of mind.

Perhaps whoever makes these shared elements has decided that weird dreams, down to minute details, are also shared amongst numerous individuals. I began to wonder if everyone's lives - while each maybe being incredibly special and unique seeming to each - are more explicable by being dished out various episodes of a soap opera to a certain group of thousands, and different episodes of the same soap opera to another group and so on and so on. Maybe some lucky few get a different soap opera altogether.

originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: just2cents

Thanks for sharing your experience. On a side note, I'm curious to know if you have ever had "dreams" you are flying through the air? Not in a plane. Literally flying like a bird.

It's interesting you put the word dream in quote marks, outlier13.

a reply to: just2cents

OP thanks for a cool personal account.

I always believe in such personal experiences because:

1. There’s nothing to gain by fabrication of such stories, and:

2. This reminds me of my own first experience with the paranormal, which I have not posted about yet, but ur experience reminds me of my own experience as a young kid.

I was maybe 5 yrs old and I woke up to an encounter, in my room...

The quirk is that it will never count as solid proof of anything, because skeptics/debunkers will never believe any story about waking up and having an encounter. (That is, they’ll call it a dream.)

Of course, the person who experienced it, knows that it wasn’t a dream.

originally posted by: bw1000

originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: just2cents

Thanks for sharing your experience. On a side note, I'm curious to know if you have ever had "dreams" you are flying through the air? Not in a plane. Literally flying like a bird.

It's interesting you put the word dream in quote marks, outlier13.

Because if a person has a "dream" where they are flying then they are actually having an out of body experience which is controllable where as an actual dream you are literally watching it unfold before you.

originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: bw1000

originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: just2cents

Thanks for sharing your experience. On a side note, I'm curious to know if you have ever had "dreams" you are flying through the air? Not in a plane. Literally flying like a bird.

It's interesting you put the word dream in quote marks, outlier13.

Because if a person has a "dream" where they are flying then they are actually having an out of body experience which is controllable where as an actual dream you are literally watching it unfold before you.

I haven't read the whole thread, but regarding my early experience as a young kid:

I woke up to my paranormal experience... similar to OP.

The unfortunate aspect is that this context lets everyone denounce the experience as a "dream."

Because it's impossible to argue about it, either way, lol.

The fact of waking up to an experience... is enough for skeptics to call it a dream.

OTOH the person who had the experience, knows the difference of a dream or of being awake. Even though such an experience happened to a young kid, who seemingly woke up, to that encounter.

Why not go to a hypnotherapist and find out about it?

I've read many stories similar to yours, so something is going on.

The military uses mind control and costumes for fake alien abductions as well.

The creatures sound similar to '___' insects (insects that are seen during '___' experiences), but I haven't read of them stealing semen.

Try find a nice hypnotherapist, because clearly you are traumatised and need assistance to clear this up.

Do you have family in the military / intelligence agencies?