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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: WSC2020
That is a question those that remember Mandela dying could not answer because it is the very fact they remember him dying then NOT that is there experience not the time line in which he was then dead just a hiccup in reality.
So you will forgive me for pointing out but that question suggest you have not really thought about the problem - these are not people whom have traveled to your universe from another one rather they are people whom remember the past differently.
I for instance remember Tommy Lee Jones dying during the making of men in black 3 and them then using composite computer generated images to replace him using old film stock but lo and behold he is still alive though all this really may mean is that WE whom experience these alteration's are actually experiencing a broader range or reality than you.
Let me explain that on more simple term's, there is a theory that there are a virtually infinite number of parallel reality's side by side, there is nothing actually between them and sometime's thing's can pass between these reality's such as may be suggested by the infamous Aperture slit test.
This test uses a light source which is then split into two light sources and sent down two path's, one of the path's has a board at it's end but the other is clear so that the light can pass through and hit a photographic plate.
The result is that this light creates what is called and interference pattern upon the plate however in theory as only half the light is hitting the plate you should in reality only get a half an interference pattern but in actuality time after time you get a full interference pattern produced on that plate.
The explanation is that light which is seemingly both a particle and a wave at the same time - (but behaves as a particle when observed and a wave when not observed - suggestive that the mind or perhaps the consciousness of the observer WARP's reality around itself or NAVIGATES reality at some subconscious level of it's existence) - is actually passing through two or more reality's simultaneously and therefore the light itself is a multiple reality medium of some kind and this explains why there is always a full interference pattern because in a near reality it is the other path that is blocked and yet somehow the light is able to skip this blockage in some way.
Another way of looking at it is Quantum theory.
Now Quantum theory is as close as Science get's to magic, look at this page and you will begin to understand.
Or maybe you will just get all confused as how your reality is suddenly not the fixed and concrete reality you always thought it was?.
Some people may be more aware because at some level of whatever they are be it consciousness or soul (may actually be the same thing, a quantum soul?) they are existing in more than one reality simultaneously - actually if they then exist in MORE reality's than YOU DO then they are actually MORE real than YOU are and of course as spirit's or quantum being's therefore far more potentially powerful?.
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: WSC2020
Great argument but in my opinion and that remember is all that it is?.
Most definitely not faulty memory, for some people yes but TOO MANY are noting there reality is NOT what they remember.
We change as we age, our taste bud's lose there ability to taste as well as we once could, our eye sight diminishes and if we have a neurological problem our memory may also diminish as we actually lose over half our neuron's as we approach our dotage.
But fact for you.
Elderly people tend to have increased sharpness of long term memory while they may lose some of there short term memory and become seemingly forgetful as a result (for some old folk it become's almost idetic and they can then relive even smell's, sight's and sound's, there mother hugging them and bandaging there cut knee's when they were three or four and even memory's they could never have recalled in there younger life).
Now this is NOT the same thing as remembering a blue sky and a yellow golden sun, or a change in the bible or indeed several which a faithful christian found jarring to the extreme having read those passages over and over sometimes trying to understand there meaning and sometimes because they resonated with that individual or indeed remembering a television interview with Eugene Terrablanche trying to explain away his white seperatist movement's use of a three armed swastika by pretending he was quoting from that part of the bible which now no longer exists except in the mind or mind's of those whom remember it.
OR any number of other factor's.
Let's look at one case made famous by the net.
Now there are any number of quantum event's that may precipitate this, it may actually be nothing more than a shift in information and if that is the case the same woman whom lived in this reality is still here but she now remembers the life of her counterpart - with whom I might add she is not a seperate entity but a part of a multiverse entity existing in multiple parallel reality's simultaneously with each one shielded from the other's at some sub conscious (not talking about the brain - quantum computer - subconscious but a different definition that would be hard to explain here), now this could have happened in a nearly infinite number of way's.
Now this in fact should comfort you, think on this.
Imagine that there are potentially a near infinite number of parallel reality's beside you right now, inside you, around you and even through you.
You or a version of you exists in some of these reality's and in some cases it is interlinked with other versions of you and perhaps even with you, at a level of consciousness beyond the quantum computer we call a brain - really regard it as a quantum interface for whatever this other pan reality you really is - there is a you that may not be conscious in the singular sense of the world of I am ME we are all aware of in our day to day lives but is more like a hive of inter dimensional interactions between these various version's of you that may exist linked to it - it get's even weirder as it itself may simply be part of another hive at an even higher level.
Now you drop dead in one reality but does that mean kaput, zilch, game over, end of the line - well actually NO! it does not, why well because that consciousness may have lost it's physical interface (what is physical anyway matter is mostly empty space and were it is not it is merely potential's tied in a kind of knot or wave form moving at right angles to the time space continuum along the path of what we perceive as the flow of linear time like ripples on a pond's surface) BUT it remain's aware, it may even remain fully there but no longer has it's link to it's former physicality however the pre-existing scaffold if inter reality interaction remain's and perhaps even reinforces this ex corporeal state making it ever more real but of course it is existing at a HIGHER pan reality state of being's and no longer focused and partitioned off in a singular quantum reality and in fact barring a black hole or some other event that may still erase it there is an odd's on chance it will then be virtually immortal.
originally posted by: Somethingsamiss
a reply to: SevenSkies
Star Wars nerd here. It was and always has been “No. I am your father”
So at least one of your pieces will of evidence is faulty.
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: justdust
Oh if only there WAS a way back.
But what if it is not a timeline and instead what we are seeing is some intelligence at work, we have already seen that human being's somehow affect local reality around them in the way they affect quantum states BUT what if some other being or race was using human's and perhaps even other races as well to fine tune it's own reality somehow, using our ability's to affect quantum state over a much larger area of the universe in which world's full of sentient life that had quantum consciousness were somehow used as part's in a kind of machine of some kind so affecting quantum states over a vast area and fine tuning it in just such a way so as to enable a more favorable outcome or state for themselves.
BUT what if some other being or race was using human's and perhaps even other races as well to fine tune it's own reality somehow, using our ability's to affect quantum state over a much larger area of the universe in which world's full of sentient life that had quantum consciousness were somehow used as part's in a kind of machine of some kind so affecting quantum states over a vast area and fine tuning it in just such a way so as to enable a more favorable outcome or state for themselves.