When or How will the shutdown end?

So what is your opinion on when or how the shutdown will end.

Will it be a false flag event that triggers something. I keep hearing two things that sound
very scary. TSA isn't property staffed, and also that if there is an medical outbreak "something" could happen.
Are they already preparing us for the worst?

Maybe these are scare tactics, maybe it's real? Many thought that the POTUS was going to declare and national emergency last night. That did not happen, but will it, or must something else happen first?


www.cnbc.com...
"Hundreds of thousands of federal workers will start to miss paychecks on Friday if Congress cannot resolve the dispute."

a reply to: JAGStorm

Hopefully with a compromise . Better border security, and no wall.

a reply to: iplay1up2

Why not a wall? What is your problem with a wall? Do you have a fence around your property? Why? I guess I just don't understand everyone's opposition to the wall. And how is that a compromise?

originally posted by: Do you have a fence around your property? Why?

I can't speak for the other poster, but I do. Why? So my dogs don't get loose.

A compromise, no wall but some kind of pledge for better boarder security. Trump will claim some kind of victory and the dems will claim they ended the shut down.

How bad is Mexico? A co worker just got back from 3 weeks in Mexico City. 3-4 hour wait for gas. Pipelines shut down because of corruption. Dozens murdered every week. Makes Chicago look like a nice place.



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originally posted by: SammyB0476
a reply to: iplay1up2

Why not a wall? What is your problem with a wall? Do you have a fence around your property? Why? I guess I just don't understand everyone's opposition to the wall. And how is that a compromise?

I agree. How does the wall hurt these Democrats? There is no downside to it.

Pelosi and Shumer have been there like 40 years now. I can remember 3 amnesties, Reagan and both Bushes. Every single time, the Democrats swore up and down that after they get their amnesty, they will resolve the border problem. Of course it's always a lie. Now here we are again.

Dems are going to give more for boarder security then they are currently offering.

Trump is going to say it is for a steel fence and other boarder security issues.

Neither said is going to use the word wall.

Both are going to argue they won.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
A compromise, no wall but some kind of pledge for better boarder security. Trump will claim some kind of victory and the dems will claim they ended the shut down.

More false promises not worth the paper they are written on. If they don't do it now, why would they do it later? How many times are we supposed to be suckered with that worn out BS? Why can't they do it now? Because it's immoral and Pelosi doesn't want to go to confession until next month?

a reply to: JAGStorm

The congress we have now can't resolve anything they are
too focused on getting Trump at any cost.They have been
blindsided by their own hate.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
"Hundreds of thousands of federal workers will start to miss paychecks on Friday if Congress cannot resolve the dispute."

Too late

'If we don't have an agreement I think by midnight on the 8th, which is Tuesday, then payroll will not go out as originally planned on Friday night,' Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said Sunday on 'Meet the Press.'

originally posted by: SammyB0476
a reply to: iplay1up2

Why not a wall? What is your problem with a wall? Do you have a fence around your property? Why? I guess I just don't understand everyone's opposition to the wall. And how is that a compromise?

When we bought our house, it had no fence. We had to add one for our dog. We added an extremely small pen for her to use the bathroom. We left the rest of the 2 acres open.

I think a wall is outdated and too expensive. Want me to cave to the wall? Give me a plan. Timeframe. Total cost. How it is going to be monitored for effectiveness.

This 5B here 5B there stuff is ridiculous. Open up the government so you can spend some of the money you asked for the wall last time.

originally posted by: iplay1up2
a reply to: JAGStorm

Hopefully with a compromise . Better border security, and no wall.

that would be ideal

what i see happening is trump going full dictator and declaring a state of emergency to get it going.
funds will be allocated and the construction will start.

then a little while in it will not be a concern anymore and we will be left with millions of dollars worth of unfinished wall portions

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
A compromise, no wall but some kind of pledge for better boarder security. Trump will claim some kind of victory and the dems will claim they ended the shut down.

More false promises not worth the paper they are written on. If they don't do it now, why would they do it later? How many times are we supposed to be suckered with that worn out BS? Why can't they do it now? Because it's immoral and Pelosi doesn't want to go to confession until next month?

I don't understand how they can say giving money for a wall is immoral. Last FY 2017 and 2018 they provided the Department of homeland Security 1.37 billion dollars to begin working on the wall but now in 2019 it is immoral? Is it because Homeland Security is happy that the newer wall is working?

a reply to: headorheart

You should have let the dog go with no fence but tell it a time when it should return. Like we do with catch and release. I'm sure the result would be exactly the same.

originally posted by: headorheart

originally posted by: SammyB0476
a reply to: iplay1up2

Why not a wall? What is your problem with a wall? Do you have a fence around your property? Why? I guess I just don't understand everyone's opposition to the wall. And how is that a compromise?

When we bought our house, it had no fence. We had to add one for our dog. We added an extremely small pen for her to use the bathroom. We left the rest of the 2 acres open.

I think a wall is outdated and too expensive. Want me to cave to the wall? Give me a plan. Timeframe. Total cost. How it is going to be monitored for effectiveness.

This 5B here 5B there stuff is ridiculous. Open up the government so you can spend some of the money you asked for the wall last time.

There has always been a detailed plan...from Homeland Security, themselves:

In FY18, Congress provided $1.375B for border wall construction which equates to approximately 84 miles of border wall in multiple locations across the Southwest border, including:

$251M for a secondary border wall in the San Diego Sector
$445M to construct a new levee wall system in the Rio Grande Valley Sector
$196M to construct a new steel bollard wall system in Rio Grande Valley Sector
$445M for a primary pedestrian wall in San Diego, El Centro, Yuma and Tucson Sectors

What’s next you might ask? When combined with the funds provided in FY 2017 and FY 2018, if funded at $5B in FY 2019 DHS expects to construct more than 330 miles of border wall in the U.S. Border Patrol’s highest priority locations across the Southwest border.

DHS is positioned to construct 215 miles of Border Patrol’s highest priority border wall miles including:

~5 miles in San Diego Sector in California
~14 miles in El Centro Sector in California
~27 miles in Yuma Sector in Arizona
~9 miles in El Paso Sector in New Mexico
~55 miles in Laredo Sector in Texas
~104 miles in Rio Grande Valley Sector in Texas

Edit add: DHS gov news

Personally, I believe the will negotiate another amount for fy2019 as prior years and we will deal with this in 2020.

a reply to: CynConcepts

I'd like to hear the answer to that myself.

Prognostication is all you have, yet there will be fights and opinions galore. I feel that President Trump should Not Fold. As do a great many Americans. Its Pelosi's pissing match. Hope the hag is _ _ _ _ _ _ by a house falling on her and her Ruby slippers taken and Pawned.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

There has to be a physical wall in some places. Study the USA southern border, and you will understand why it MUST have a physical barrier in some places.

This is urgent. This is not a game, even though certain politicians act like it is a sports competition. There are things happening south of us. Timing is crucial. We need to build the wall now and bombard Pelosi, Schumer, and everyone holding up this piece of the illegal migration problem with phone calls, emails, tweets, etc.

a reply to: CynConcepts

Thank you for that information. I knew $1.375 was allocated but saw little else. I have saved that website to my favorites to references back to.

It is sad how many times I have asked that question and got no response. While I understand it is not other's job to educate me, it is hard to educate myself at times when so many sources are opinion based. I like numbers. Your source had numbers.