Leader of right wing party in Germany beaten almost to death

a reply to: dfnj2015

Karma for what? AFD is only caring for its German nationalist roots i see nothing Fascists about the AFD let alone considering that AFD has an LGBT member in their party.

You seem to have no issues when leftists or anyone attack other people expressing their freedom of speech.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I am not defending truymp rhetoric in general. I have called out his uncivility.

I defended that particular statement.

You ignore the evidence and just continue to assert he said nazis were good people when he didnt.

Meanwhile, your belittling of this man nearly losing his life as saying people discussing it are "pearl clutching" is ridiculous.

Here you are discussing the events that lead to the death of heather heyer.

I would never accuse you of pearl clutching for discussing that.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Raggedyman

There are two things going on here.

1. You chose to leveled insults instead of just explaining what you meant. That is the most important thing here,

2. you are attempting to say I dont understand english and argue semanticss, but in fact you are wrong on that level as well.

Said does not mean alleged as an adjective, never has.

It means "aformentioned"

If I say "Said court also claims abortion is legal" I dont mean aleged court, I mean the court that was previously mentioned.

Here is some dictionary deifnitions of the word said. No where in any of them do I see that "said" means alleged.

said adjective
ˈsed


Definition of said (Entry 2 of 2)

: aforementioned


Examples of said in a Sentence

Adjective
by order of the judge of said court with said guidebook in hand, we set off to explore the city

Recent Examples on the Web: Adjective
The concept of going to a restaurant, not eating the food, and then exercising at said restaurant is just baffling.

www.merriam-webster.com...

and more

en.oxforddictionaries.com...

www.vocabulary.com...

dictionary.cambridge.org...

www.collinsdictionary.com...

I await your source that said means alleged.

If you are going to insult people and argue semantics, at least make sure you are correct.

“Aforementioned”
Guess what that means

You are a goose

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Raggedyman

There are two things going on here.

1. You chose to leveled insults instead of just explaining what you meant. That is the most important thing here,

2. you are attempting to say I dont understand english and argue semanticss, but in fact you are wrong on that level as well.

Said does not mean alleged as an adjective, never has.

It means "aformentioned"

If I say "Said court also claims abortion is legal" I dont mean aleged court, I mean the court that was previously mentioned.

Here is some dictionary deifnitions of the word said. No where in any of them do I see that "said" means alleged.

said adjective
ˈsed


Definition of said (Entry 2 of 2)

: aforementioned


Examples of said in a Sentence

Adjective
by order of the judge of said court with said guidebook in hand, we set off to explore the city

Recent Examples on the Web: Adjective
The concept of going to a restaurant, not eating the food, and then exercising at said restaurant is just baffling.

www.merriam-webster.com...

and more

en.oxforddictionaries.com...

www.vocabulary.com...

dictionary.cambridge.org...

www.collinsdictionary.com...

I await your source that said means alleged.

If you are going to insult people and argue semantics, at least make sure you are correct.

“Aforementioned”
Guess what that means

You are a goose

Wow you still are on this?

Aforementioned also doesnt mean alleged.

Definition of aforementioned

: mentioned previously

www.merriam-webster.com...

Again, show me any ditcionary6 that says the adjective "said" or "aforementioned" means alleged.

You were wrong, its no big deal.

The more you refuse to see you are wrong, the more silly it makes you look.

a reply to: Grambler

You ignore the evidence and just continue to assert he said nazis were good people when he didnt.

I never said that Trump singled out Nazis. It took Trump 3 additional tries to convince the public what he "really" meant when he glibly said there were "very fine people on both sides", while publicly addressing the murder of Heather Heyer.

The event was organized by a now convicted White Supremacist, who put out a call to like minded individuals, like Neo Nazis, Neo-Confederates and Neo-Fascists. If this woman heard the call and decided to make the drive to participate in the event as advertised, she's one them, and not a "fine" one. I reject your so called "evidence" of "fine people" participating in the racist and bigotted chanting and marching on Charlottsville with torches and weapons in hand.

Meanwhile, your belittling of this man nearly losing his life as saying people discussing it are "pearl clutching" is ridiculous.

There you go again, hyperbolically clutching at your pearls.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler




I reject your so called "evidence" of "fine people" participating in the racist and bigotted chanting and marching on Charlottsville with torches and weapons in hand.

so your feeliongs mean you rejectv evidence? Good standard.

The woman and her group, and many others, were there to defend free speech.

Why do you not speak out at the dems still in congress and Obama for hangning out with a guy that likens jews to termites?

Oh thats right, your guilt by association is selective.

There you go again, hyperbolically clutching at your pearls.

Explain to me how discussing a man being beaten nearly to death is clutching pearls, but your screaming you refuse to to look at evidence because everyone was a racist in charlottesville and is a big deal trump said there were some good ones is not clutching pearls.

Holy good God, seeing those pictures... Who would do that do somebody for difference of opinion? And yet this thread has also turned into a Trump thread somehow... Nevermind the man with a cleaved skull...

originally posted by: sine.nomine
Holy good God, seeing those pictures... Who would do that do somebody for difference of opinion? And yet this thread has also turned into a Trump thread somehow... Nevermind the man with a cleaved skull...

Now now, you will be accused of clutching pearls if you say those things.

a reply to: Grambler

Explain to me how discussing a man being beaten nearly to death is clutching pearls,

This thread isn't about a man in Germany getting mugged. It's about you lecturing leftists to be more civil.

From your OP:

Lately, we have seen right wing people attacked for political reasons. Rand Paul and Steve Scalise in the US. Bolsonaro in Brazil was almost killed before the election that he won.

but your screaming you refuse to to look at evidence because everyone was a racist in charlottesville and is a big deal trump said there were some good ones is not clutching pearls.

There you go again with your hyperbole. I'm not screaming. You are.

From your OP

Now there was a big conversation going on, even in the msm, about if it was ok to punch a nazi. I was strongly against this, because I knew that once you say villence is acceptable against nazis, now all you have to do is label anyone who disagrees with you a nazi to justify violence against them.

This could in fact have been what happened in this situation, and the rhetoric and jsutifications for violence nearly cost a man his life.

The violence in Charlottesville, perpetrator by Neo-Nazis and their ilk, did cost a woman her life. But hey, there are very fine people on both sides!

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Please go on saying being worried about extremists political violence, when we have a man beaten nearly to death in what cops are calling political violence is pearl clutching.

Please go on ignoring that free speech advocates who were at charolottesville that condemn neo nazi are in fact bad people who must agree with the supremacists or they would not have stood with them.

I interpret your message to be its ok to call people nazis and if they are attacked so be it. And if people have a problem with that, they are just clutching pearls.

originally posted by: Grambler
You ignore the evidence and just continue to assert he said nazis were good people when he didnt.

Unite the Right rally may have started about concerns regarding statues taken down but it turned into a white supremacists march. The statue issue is of no concern to me because who cares and I am a minority and believe that symbols that may represent racism/bigotry only have power if you let it. Another thing, if we start taking down things that offend certain groups; my question is "who gets to decide what group matters and what is deemed offensive?"

A little history of what I am talking about in regards to who gets to choose what is offensive and what groups are taken more seriously than others and then onto my question about quoted part.

The following is what I believe about all religious organizations, including my own cultures version of those organizations. When I say "faith" vs "organized religion", I mean that people of faith of whatever are generally good people but when that persons faith is taken over by organizations who claim to represent that faith, that faith then becomes warped into something else entirely where "good people" are turned into mindless drones who preach bigotry, warped version of morality and other warped ideas.


For instance my ancestors were almost wipe out by white (not blaming an entire race just stating a fact about history) Christians/Catholics and for this reason, I find those religious organizations disgusting (not people of faith) and may also be why I do not believe in God. I believe that religion should be banned from any parts of government, institutions or businesses, meaning your religion should never be used to discriminate, hinder services or given exceptions to a rule that has been around for years. Let us say I want this so bad, I get a group together and we start protesting, should we be taken seriously and items of worship taken down and hidden? If not, why? If yes, why? Who gets to decide and then when do we stop?

Now onto the main my question of what I chose to quote.

I believe the issue that people are having with that statement is the fact he never has clarified it.

Trump said:

"Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch."

"very fine people on both sides"

While it is true that people who support Trump or have issues with statues taken down are not racists/bigots.

What "fine people" march with Neo-Nazis?

If he was not talking about those people then who was he talking about?

a reply to: j4ckd4r1pp3r

There were many people there that did not like the white supremacists from militia groups that wanted to keep the peace and defend free speech and the statues.

I have already made a thread on this that I linked

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and posted an article from one of these women describing the situation.

Michelle Piercy, who travelled to Charlottesville to participate as a neutral peacekeeper for American Warrior Revolution, a group that stands up for individual free speech rights and acts as a buffer between competing voices, knew there was going to be violence, but went anyway.

“We were made aware that the situation could be dangerous, and we were prepared.” Piercy says. The Wichita night-worker for a Kansas retirement home said that “the situation was completely disorganized, the police were responsible for herding white supremacists on the street where Antifa and BLM were located. All chaos broke out. I witnessed police officers say, ‘that’s not our problem’ and ‘you shouldn’t have come’ and refused to help the injured.”

Piercy says that she doesn’t support white supremacy, Naziism, or alt-right causes. Nor does she believe the president has that in his heart.

“My partner is a black man who travelled to Charlottesville for the same reason I did [to protect free speech]. We were in groups and he’s a very good man. What we were trying to do is talk to Antifa and Black Lives Matter and let them know that the way they were protesting is the wrong way to go about it.”

Blaming the police is one thing, but criticizing President Trump’s handling of the violence that led to the deaths of three people is another. Piercy says “I believe President Trump is doing what he can.”

...

“Good people can go to Charlottesville,” says Piercy, who drove all night with other people who she says “also love and defend free speech, who are the furtherest thing from bigots, Nazis or white supremacists.

mediaequalizer.com...

Now if you dont mind a question.

What good people could possibly sit with a man that likens jews to termites?

If the answer is none, do you find it more troubling that while you may dislike trump for saying nice things about bad people, Obama actually palled around with bad people like that?

And do you wonder why the media and the rest of the left had such a double standard?

a reply to: Grambler

Please go on saying being worried about extremists political violence, when we have a man beaten nearly to death in what cops are calling political violence is pearl clutching.

No, "WE" don't have a beaten man, Germany does, And, cops don't know who did it or why. Your pearl clutching is demonstrated by you hyperbolically transferring this man's problems (Germany's problem) to the American people, especially leftists.

Please go on ignoring that free speech advocates who were at charolottesville that condemn neo nazi are in fact bad people who must agree with the supremacists or they would not have stood with them.

If they were on the Neo-Nazi, et al, side, they weren't "fine people" as Trump claimed. If they weren't on the Neo-Nazi, et al, side, then there weren't fine people on the Neo-Nazi, et al, side.

I interpret your message to be its ok to call people nazis and if they are attacked so be it.

Then you would putting words in my mouth, words that I never said, and you would be projecting your hysteria onto me.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

SO as an American I cant look at the rest iof the world?

Oh, and I notice you conveniently still havent commented on Obama, the dems and their buddy farrakhan.

I dont blame you, it would suck to have to admit your own standard of no good people hanging out with racist would apply to them.

a reply to: Grambler


One right wing German politician who got mugged, for unknown reasons by unknown assailants, isn't "the rest of the world".

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler


One right wing German politician who got mugged, for unknown reasons by unknown assailants, isn't "the rest of the world".

From the OP

And of course, its not just right wingers, as any politician in Mexico that wants to make things better regardles of ideology seems to be in danger of being attacked by cartels.

Should just shut my mouth about assassinations in Mexico to right?


anything to say about Obama and bfarrakhan yet?

Or still content to ignore that so we dont all see your double standard.

Its ok, we already see it.

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: dfnj2015

Karma for what? AFD is only caring for its German nationalist roots i see nothing Fascists about the AFD let alone considering that AFD has an LGBT member in their party.

You seem to have no issues when leftists or anyone attack other people expressing their freedom of speech.

“Think how we think or we’ll attack you”

The very definition of fascism

a reply to: Grambler

Damn. I don't know anything about this man, but even in the U.S. left-wing leaders seem to be calling for such violence.

We have Hillary calling for incivility against anyone who is not a democrat/liberal, and that "civility should only return when democrats are elected."

We have Maxine Waters calling for harassment and stalking everyone that is in the POTUS' administration. We have left-wing actors calling for violence against the right, and against the POTUS and his family, etc, etc.

The left, in general, seem to want violence and chaos unless things go their way...

a reply to: Grambler

From the OP

And of course, its not just right wingers, as any politician in Mexico that wants to make things better regardles of ideology seems to be in danger of being attacked by cartels.

LOL

Right, OF COURSE! It's also those evil Mexicans! Gotta include thems!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler

From the OP

And of course, its not just right wingers, as any politician in Mexico that wants to make things better regardles of ideology seems to be in danger of being attacked by cartels.

LOL

Right, OF COURSE! It's also those evil Mexicans! Gotta include thems!

Holy cow. saying that even left leaning politicians in mexico are being attacked someone means I am mocking mexicans?

I even said how brave these politicians are in my video for running for office to make their country better knowing the risk.

But yep, I must be insulting those people.

But again, I am glad you mock anyone who is upset even left leaning politicians in mexico.