6th Generation Fighter Meta Thread

a reply to: anzha

Roper is an idiot.

a reply to: Zaphod58
Interesting, what have you heard the RAAF/ADF is looking at? Assuming you aren't talking about Boeing's ATS I assume?

a reply to: thebozeian

I haven't heard a lot yet. It'll probably depend on who replaces the idiot, and how much of a moron they are.

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a reply to: Zaphod58
Roper is awesome , building and flying a demonstrator of a new fighter in a short time is something realy cool. You realy think you will have air dominance with a short speed and short leg F-35 ? at a time of China J-20 and SU-57 starting lot of them , you are dreaming ! . It is time to go with another plane than the F-35 a decade of tests and it is still bugging a lot and no high rate production too. Better in block 4 , and after it will be better in block 5 and 30 years will be passed... Sometimes its better to say that the plane is a sort of mistake and starting something new. USAF must buying F-15 EX to supplement F-35 surely realy good for the budget if the F-35 was this magnificient plane surely there will be no need for F-15 EX. I m realy curious to know how you can catch a TU-160 patrol with F-35 ?

a reply to: darksidius

You catch them by being smart. They're not going supersonic their entire flight, and if they can't see you coming, unlike the F-15EX, it's a lot harder to get away.

You really don't have a clue about the F-35. They're buying the F-15 because the current fleet requires more in upgrades than it does to buy new aircraft. The F-35 full rate production delay means that they aren't being built fast enough to replace the existing aircraft. It has nothing to do with whether it's "this magnificent plane" or not.

The F-35 isn't a mistake. It changes air warfare in so many ways. But hey, let's just get rid of it because you think it sucks. Why not. Let's just dump all the money and technology and sink even more into a plane that won't even be in low rate production for 15 years.

Oh, and one more thing. We used to get B-1s flying against our F-15s when we had them. I can count on one hand the number of times an F-15 got a kill on one. So they're going to be no better at stopping a -160 using your logic.

originally posted by: darksidius
a reply to: Zaphod58
Roper is awesome , building and flying a demonstrator of a new fighter in a short time is something realy cool. You realy think you will have air dominance with a short speed and short leg F-35 ? at a time of China J-20 and SU-57 starting lot of them , you are dreaming ! . It is time to go with another plane than the F-35 a decade of tests and it is still bugging a lot and no high rate production too. Better in block 4 , and after it will be better in block 5 and 30 years will be passed... Sometimes its better to say that the plane is a sort of mistake and starting something new. USAF must buying F-15 EX to supplement F-35 surely realy good for the budget if the F-35 was this magnificient plane surely there will be no need for F-15 EX. I m realy curious to know how you can catch a TU-160 patrol with F-35 ?

I thought Russia and China were just going to spam the world with hypersonic BVR missiles making every western aircraft and aircraft carrier obsolete?? Of course, this was at a time Russia and China were still trying to build aircraft to within 50% capability of the F-35 and carriers.

How is your TU-160 going to outrun a missile which it doesn’t know has been fired at it or from where?

a reply to: Zaphod58
What I want to say is you can't qualify Mr Ropper of an idiot, he is the guy who try to move the lines for USAF since more than 2 décades, he put AI in the real world and build something in the black abble to do the futur air dominance missions with not a lot of budget.If you have just F-35 in the inventory and if ennemy can defeat it, it will be better to have something else to fight and dominate the sky. There was a lot of promise in the past never built, he is the guy who build futur possibility now. Whatever the F-35 is a good stealth plane the adversary are moving pretty fast to counter it and it is not the time to stay in the ice. Soon China will have a long range stealth Bomber good 5th generation stealth fighter it is time to move on.

a reply to: darksidius

I hate to break it to you, but the NGAD isn't going to be some Mach 6 super fighter either. You're just going to have to learn to live with disappointment.

Oh, he was around for 20 years, so that makes him smart? Then why aren't the generals that have been around 10+ years geniuses? Tenure doesn't equal intelligence. He's also the guy that came up with the digital century series, which isn't possible. In twenty years he doesn't have a lot to show beyond flying the 6th Gen demonstrator.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I dont think NGAD will go anywhere because congress holds the purse strings. And those politicians want huge government contracts in their districts. This just isnt going to fly as long as there is money in politics.

a reply to: dragonridr

They won't have a choice if they want to keep any advantage. It's going to be a big contract, but it's still several years away for the big part of it.

a reply to: Zaphod58
Since years I appreciate your comments on the forum,but this time I'm totaly disagree. We don't speak about a mach 6 fighter but something big, stealth , long range and high load and you must be happy with something like that flying in the inventory in a near futur. The F-35 is the opposite, the C model is unabble to be more of mach 1.3 for one minute. The A model is a little better but high costy to fly and unabble after more than a decade to be in a high rate production, the older model going to agressor because too costly to put it at the good level, Lockheed promise and promise to be better with block 4 and after they will promise on block 5. I have the feeling they will lose the futur NGAD contract. In the same time Chinese build J-20 and I m not sure F-35 will be Superior in a A/A fight, Chinese build hypersonic missile and now a B-2 like bomber in less than a decade don't you think there is something wrong ? I don't understand why a lot are not supporting NGAD , we speak about that since a decade and now its great news if there is something like that making flight test.

Stealth and high Mach numbers dont go together well..

originally posted by: darksidius
The F-35 is the opposite, the C model is unabble to be more of mach 1.3 for one minute.

Yes it is. The Navy placed an operational limitation on them, just as they did with every piece of equipment they have. That doesn't mean that it can't, it means that if it does, there's a small risk of damage. This was because one B and one C suffered minor damage during one flight 10 years ago, while flying at the very extreme edge of their performance envelope. Multiple attempts were made to recreate it, and failed. No aircraft has suffered anything like it since. If they need to, they're still going to go past Mach 1.3 and stay there as long as they need to.

The A model is a little better but high costy to fly

In July 2020, the F-35A cost per flying hour was about $35,000. If you look at the DoD reimbursement rates for all their aircraft, all models of the F-35 are roughly in line with other fighters, with the F-22 being far higher than the others. Funny how you don't have a problem with the F-22's almost $34,000 per flight hour.

and unabble after more than a decade to be in a high rate production,

Which has nothing to do with the actual aircraft. The hold up is with the Joint Simulation Environment at Pax River. It doesn't require the aircraft, but uses a full sized cockpit in the simulator. There are software problems, partly due to Covid that are delaying things. Even at "low rate production" they're building as many aircraft as others saw built under their full rate production rates. Last year, they produced over 120 aircraft.

the older model going to agressor because too costly to put it at the good level,

Again, funny that you don't even blink at the fact that the F-22 had 187 aircraft built, and at least 30 non combat coded aircraft flying. But when the F-35 it "too costly to put it at the good level" it's suddenly an issue. Again, F-22 isn't a problem, but F-35 is. Interesting mentality there.


[quote In the same time Chinese build J-20 and I m not sure F-35 will be Superior in a A/A fight,

Because, again, you don't understand how the F-35 changes things. You read all the bad things published, and wave away the good as propaganda or "they have to say that".

Chinese build hypersonic missile

You mean like the missiles we tested and are testing?

and now a B-2 like bomber

They haven't built anything. There are rumors of it, but they haven't shown anything.

in less than a decade

And how long do you think the engineering and development took?

I don't understand why a lot are not supporting NGAD , we speak about that since a decade and now its great news if there is something like that making flight test.

"If you're not with us, you're against us". Sound familiar? So if we don't jump on the "Ditch the F-35 and build NGAD" train then we're not supporting NGAD? There's nothing "like that making flight test". A demonstrator is not a representative aircraft. It's a demonstrator. It proves that technologies work together, and certain technologies work.

I take you comments But I d'ont understand why the F-35 have this lot of support with all of the problems it have in the past , and I dont thing it keep a superiority for USAF when you sell it everywhere on the planet. The F-22 was a superiority, only USAF have this capacity, soon everybody will know how you can defeat F-35, I can't hope that selling it in the middle East can keep secret.

a reply to: darksidius

Because you don't give a damn about understanding how the F-35 changes everything. You only care about reading the bad things about it and trashing it. You keep right on with your ignorance and reading the F-35 hate sites.

Am I right aviationweek.com...

a reply to: darksidius

*sigh* You're not even close. What part of expensive and necessary do you not understand? Oh wait, if the F-35 was so good they'd just fly them until the structural issues cause them to fall out of the sky again, right?

The best way is to upgrade the legacy fleet to keep up with the F35,s battlefield situation software..