Brazil's president-elect plans decree allowing wider gun ownership (more guns less crime?)

It appears Brazil may allow their non-criminal citizens to actually defend themselves.... go figure. If only violent criminals and crooked cops have access to weapons, who wouldn't be surprised that the criminals reign goes unchecked, the chaos spreads, and the people suffer.

If you lived in a "lawless state" where armed criminals were everywhere would you want to be disarmed and helpless?


Brazil's president-elect plans decree allowing wider gun ownership
www.reuters.com...

President-elect Jair Bolsonaro said on Saturday he plans to issue a decree allowing all Brazilians without criminal records to own firearms, welcome news to many core supporters who want him to loosen Brazil’s strict gun laws.

Throughout his campaign, Bolsonaro had pledged to dismantle Brazil’s current gun legislation, which presents various bureaucratic and legal obstacles for people seeking to purchase firearms. That message appealed to many Brazilians who want to use guns for self-defense amid sky-high levels of violent crime.

“By decree, we plan to guarantee the ownership of firearms by citizens without criminal records,” Bolsonaro, who takes office on Jan. 1, wrote on Twitter on Saturday.

www.nytimes.com...

For a population angered by the last few years of political and economic turmoil and worried by escalating violence, Mr. Bolsonaro’s vow to break with Brazil’s restrictive attitude toward weapons and make it easier for “good guys” to own guns was particularly resonant.

“We have to stop this politically correct thing, saying that disarming everyone will make Brazil a better place — it won’t,” Mr. Bolsonaro said in his first post-election television interview, pointing out that the strict regulations now in place have failed to stem the flow of firearms into the hands of criminals.

“Right now, only the criminals have guns,” she said. “I’m not going to run around the streets with a gun in my hand, but a criminal might think twice if normal citizens could be armed.”

Most criminals get their guns from the police and security forces, so those few entities that are allowed access to firearms appear to sell them to criminal organizations while the population as a whole are generally helpless and not allowed to defend themselves.

Why Brazil's Strict Gun Laws Have Misfired
www.bloomberg.com...

Yes, most of the arms seized in criminal acts in Brazil were sold clean and then ended up in outlaw hands. Still, putting a tourniquet on commercial handguns does nothing to stop the leak to the criminal underworld, and seems a ham-handed way to tackle broader problems, like arms smuggling, cross-border crime cartels, and especially crooked cops who feed the black market. “Brazil is a sieve,” said Bevilaqua. “Everything passes through.”

Look no further than Rio, where in the words of Justice Minister Torquato Jardim, “Police commanders are partners in organized crime.” In 2015, Rio authorities traced a surprising number of weapons seized at crime scenes to a handful of private security firms, owned -- legally, as it turns out -- by active police officers.

Two more key issues ought to get more attention in the often overwrought public debate over guns and violence: administrative continuity and fiscal health. Both vary dramatically across Brazil, and their absence can condemn entire regions to turmoil, fear and economic blight.

Only authoritarians and their useful idiots believe you can cut the horns off the herd to protect it from the predators.

More guns more murder, so simple anyone who isn’t a rwnj can understand. a reply to: infolurker

I agree with him on this, but on virtually every other issue the guy is a #ing psychopath.

originally posted by: soundguy
More guns more murder, so simple anyone who isn’t a rwnj can understand. a reply to: infolurker

No study has ever shown a correlation between murder rates and legal gun ownership.

You're entitled to your asinine opinions but not your own facts.

a reply to: IndyFront

It might seem like that when you're trying to undo decades of socialist destruction.

a reply to: projectvxn

Brazil's president-elect plans

That's if they allow him to take the reigns in 2 or 3 days time ..... somehow I don't think the [socialists] want to drop the B of BRICS and hand Brazil over to the States just yet . With those TU16s or whatever they're called in Venezuela they going to keep that country as long as they can and not let Bolsarano just waltz over the border either , if they dont find a way to scupper him anyhow . Something to keep an eye on

originally posted by: soundguy
More guns more murder, so simple anyone who isn’t a rwnj can understand. a reply to: infolurker

Ah, I see,

Only criminals should have guns. Because that is the reality.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: soundguy
More guns more murder, so simple anyone who isn’t a rwnj can understand. a reply to: infolurker

No study has ever shown a correlation between murder rates and legal gun ownership.

You're entitled to your asinine opinions but not your own facts.

Are you sure?

www.hsph.harvard.edu...

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: soundguy
More guns more murder, so simple anyone who isn’t a rwnj can understand. a reply to: infolurker

Ah, I see,

Only criminals should have guns. Because that is the reality.

Makes sense; if only the criminals have guns then there will be less murder... the non criminals will be left to cower in their homes while the criminals run the place... but their will be less murder... some might find that a worth while exchange.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: soundguy
More guns more murder, so simple anyone who isn’t a rwnj can understand. a reply to: infolurker

No study has ever shown a correlation between murder rates and legal gun ownership.

You're entitled to your asinine opinions but not your own facts.

Are you sure?

www.hsph.harvard.edu...

While the person you replied to specified murder (which is not the same thing as homicide), it's pretty obvious that guns make it easier to kill people. Safely.

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: soundguy
More guns more murder, so simple anyone who isn’t a rwnj can understand. a reply to: infolurker

No study has ever shown a correlation between murder rates and legal gun ownership.

You're entitled to your asinine opinions but not your own facts.

Are you sure?

www.hsph.harvard.edu...

While the person you replied to specified murder (which is not the same thing as homicide), it's pretty obvious that guns make it easier to kill people. Safely.

Would that be because different countries would use different definitions of murder v man slaughter (or local equivalents)? Too late here to look that up but I would be frankly amazed if there was a different result when looking specifically at murder than from overall homicide rates.

Also at the end of the day someone is still dead.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Also at the end of the day someone is still dead.

Someone who otherwise may not have been so. Indeed. Guns make it way easier.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: soundguy
More guns more murder, so simple anyone who isn’t a rwnj can understand. a reply to: infolurker

No study has ever shown a correlation between murder rates and legal gun ownership.

You're entitled to your asinine opinions but not your own facts.

Are you sure?

www.hsph.harvard.edu...

While the person you replied to specified murder (which is not the same thing as homicide), it's pretty obvious that guns make it easier to kill people. Safely.

Would that be because different countries would use different definitions of murder v man slaughter (or local equivalents)? Too late here to look that up but I would be frankly amazed if there was a different result when looking specifically at murder than from overall homicide rates.

Also at the end of the day someone is still dead.

Ok, so would it not be better for a criminal to be dead instead of an innocent victim? More guns in the hands of good people means more guns in general, which in return libs like to claim equals more deaths. Faulty mindset because if a good guy turns and goes rogue, that person is now a criminal. Criminals will commit crimes regardless of the means. The difference is here though, that lets say said good guy commits a crime, the likelyhood of another good guy with a gun to possibly save themselves or someone else is substantially higher than the current policies.

Its a simple as the fact that criminals will do criminal s***, and good people won’t. Laws state dont rob or kill or whatever, but do criminals still do it? Yes of course they will.

Stealing is a crime. Do thieves care? NOPE
Assault is a crime. Do people still assault others? YES
Murder is a crime. Do people still get murdered? YES.

Tell me again how laws stop criminals.......

If no guns allowed, only criminals will have them. Takes cops minutes to come try to help. Do you know how many lives can be lost/saved in those precious moments give or take a good guy(s) with a gun?

Strange. Could've sworn the totally unbiased western press said this guy was the next Pinochet or a Brazilian Hitler. Doesn't seem like something a Brazilian Hitler would do if you ask me.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Strange. Could've sworn the totally unbiased western press said this guy was the next Pinochet or a Brazilian Hitler. Doesn't seem like something a Brazilian Hitler would do if you ask me.

Not sure I am gettig your point here. Seems like an attack on the US of sorts maybe I am wrong. This article isn’t about the US but you went out of your way to bring it up and it went over my head.

Btw, attacking the MSM we have isn’t a solid attack as everyone knows they are full of ****

originally posted by: NightCall

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: soundguy
More guns more murder, so simple anyone who isn’t a rwnj can understand. a reply to: infolurker

No study has ever shown a correlation between murder rates and legal gun ownership.

You're entitled to your asinine opinions but not your own facts.

Are you sure?

www.hsph.harvard.edu...

While the person you replied to specified murder (which is not the same thing as homicide), it's pretty obvious that guns make it easier to kill people. Safely.

Would that be because different countries would use different definitions of murder v man slaughter (or local equivalents)? Too late here to look that up but I would be frankly amazed if there was a different result when looking specifically at murder than from overall homicide rates.

Also at the end of the day someone is still dead.

Ok, so would it not be better for a criminal to be dead instead of an innocent victim? More guns in the hands of good people means more guns in general, which in return libs like to claim equals more deaths. Faulty mindset because if a good guy turns and goes rogue, that person is now a criminal. Criminals will commit crimes regardless of the means. The difference is here though, that lets say said good guy commits a crime, the likelyhood of another good guy with a gun to possibly save themselves or someone else is substantially higher than the current policies.

Its a simple as the fact that criminals will do criminal s***, and good people won’t. Laws state dont rob or kill or whatever, but do criminals still do it? Yes of course they will.

Stealing is a crime. Do thieves care? NOPE
Assault is a crime. Do people still assault others? YES
Murder is a crime. Do people still get murdered? YES.

Tell me again how laws stop criminals.......

If no guns allowed, only criminals will have them. Takes cops minutes to come try to help. Do you know how many lives can be lost/saved in those precious moments give or take a good guy(s) with a gun?

In countries with sensible gun control regulations criminals are much less likely to be armed. Both because it's much harder for then to get a firearm and because it's not in their interests to carry one. Why risk the more severe sentence.

Secondly, and this is the more important point, the majority of murders aren't commited by carear criminals but by someone the victim knew. It's not a question if good guys v bad guys but of domestic arguments escalating to violence with tragic results.

That is not to even mention accidental gun deaths.

Genius. I thought that they simply need more catholic churches

The EU is back at it, planning the sabotage of nuclear power plants and their fuel in Brazil. EU's efforts, especially coming from Italy and Germany are now on the ridiculous !

a reply to: ScepticScot

Yes I'm sure.


You should look into their sources and read what they have to say.

Their analysis of papers in journals is political as they tend to rely on David Hemenway's work a little too much:
en.wikipedia.org...

He states that no "credible evidence exists for a general deterrent effect of firearms" since "arming citizens to reduce crime- in the home, in schools, or on the streets- seems likely to increase rather than reduce the level of lethal violence". He also asserts that "the safety of guns is less regulated than virtually any other commodity". Overall, he remarks, "We should no longer accept our high levels of lethal violence as an inevitable by-product of a free American society."[2]

Guns, in general, are among the most well-regulated consumer products there are. This is not a factual statement, it's a political one.


We have just shown such to be the case. What I should have said is no CREDIBLE study has shown this to be the case.