1000's of Asylum Seekers entered into the USA via Texas and New Mexico, since October...

originally posted by: dojozen

Looks like 600 Asylum Seekers just over the last 3 days and 100's a day since October.
42,000 “family units” apprehended Texas and New Mexico, the article says, largest record amount ever.

Looking at the picture I wonder how many could climb a 30 foot wall....

a reply to: stosh64

googled it and seems to be somewhat valid, least lot of results suggest it is.

Refugees Contribute More In Taxes Than They Ever Receive in Benefits
immigrationimpact.com/2017/06/16/refugees-contribute-taxes-benefits/
Jun 16, 2017 - Refugees pay an average of $21000 more in taxes than they receive ... Refugee resettlement has long been a cornerstone of United States foreign ... alone, America's responsibility to offer aid to those seeking refuge is clear.

a reply to: Xtrozero

yea, they would need some help, like a grappling hook and maybe a some climbing gear...
Saw some new built in winch models that looked real nice for wall climbing...effortless.

Though the shoestring budget model should do the trick, they could set up a pulley system and hoist them all over...

Refugees pay an average of $21000 more in taxes than they receive

Sounds like BS to me.

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Xtrozero

yea, they would need some help, like a grappling hook and maybe a some climbing gear...
Saw some new built in winch models that looked real nice for wall climbing...effortless.

Though the shoestring budget model should do the trick, they could set up a pulley system and hoist them all over...

Could you climb the wall with that...I couldn't...What does the hook hook to? Do we provide things along the wall for the hook to catch on to?

Looking at the picture I don't see too many that could scale a wall. You make it sound so easy..you ever thought to give it a try?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Xtrozero

yea, they would need some help, like a grappling hook and maybe a some climbing gear...
Saw some new built in winch models that looked real nice for wall climbing...effortless.

Though the shoestring budget model should do the trick, they could set up a pulley system and hoist them all over...

Could you climb the wall with that...I couldn't...What does the hook hook to? Do we provide things along the wall for the hook to catch on to?

Looking at the picture I don't see too many that could scale a wall. You make it sound so easy..you ever thought to give it a try?

I was watching a doco on netflix the other day where their was footage of an immigrant scaling one of the existing border walls.

Basically, they just threw a rope attached to a hoist up the wall, then looped it through the fence... then one guy got hoisted up by the other guy, then he climbed over the top and then got safely hoisted down on the other side... The whole thing took less than 20 seconds.

For all the noise Trumps making about that stupid wall and the billions it's going to cost, which is supposed to deter people from illegally crossing the border, by essentially taking around 20 seconds longer... lol.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

For all the noise Trumps making about that stupid wall and the billions it's going to cost, which is supposed to deter people from illegally crossing the border, by essentially taking around 20 seconds longer... lol.

Wall design is much different to really inhibit this...I would think the best way would be to catapult a 200 pound weight over the wall then use that as an anchor. You would need a catapult though...remember a big part of all this is to minimize the numbers coming in and to have extremely good detection and response too.

Think of it this way...a small group with the right gear comes up to the wall and gets over it to just be picked up shortly there after... Now lets say 1000 people come up to the wall... right now they can either just walk across or scale a 6 foot fence. That means 100% of the 1000 people get in that need to be apprehend, detain, process, taken care of.... With the wall that would not be so easy and we could respond to the situation preventing the vast majority from ever coming in. So do you want 1000s 10,000s 100,000s all flooding in or just small groups that find ways to get in?

a reply to: Xtrozero

have not seen all the wall/slats prototypes in detail....
I saw a 60ft extension ladder on sale this week, was pretty nice and should work?
Was thinking they could pull each other over, using harnesses and pulley rigging system..
Think if one can make it over and attach to something to anchor it, should be smooth climbing after that.



Really though a ladder should work?

What about a portable generator and a plasma cutter?

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: stosh64

googled it and seems to be somewhat valid, least lot of results suggest it is.

Refugees Contribute More In Taxes Than They Ever Receive in Benefits
immigrationimpact.com/2017/06/16/refugees-contribute-taxes-benefits/
Jun 16, 2017 - Refugees pay an average of $21000 more in taxes than they receive ... Refugee resettlement has long been a cornerstone of United States foreign ... alone, America's responsibility to offer aid to those seeking refuge is clear.

21,000 seems like a hell of a lot. Illegals that work in companies who take out taxes can still file with the IRS, so I'm not sure what they are talking about as in SS and medicare are about the only two taxes they might be forced to pay into and never get.

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Xtrozero

have not seen all the wall/slats prototypes in detail....
I saw a 60ft extension ladder on sale this week, was pretty nice and should work?
Was thinking they could pull each other over, using harnesses and pulley rigging system..
Think if one can make it over and attach to something to anchor it, should be smooth climbing after that.

Every inch of the wall can have active monitoring with either cameras or drones. Drones can over fly the wall monitoring every location about once every 30 minutes, and if they see a group they can then stay in that area as other drones continue to monitor the wall. As a group approaches the wall a two man response team can be activated and get there rather quickly.

a reply to: Xtrozero

yea, must admit looked a bit far fetched...did not even bother reading it all...was so many results found on the subject, got to wonder how they came up with all that...some new AI algorithm?

Must be some errors in their formula


just browsing the titles and excerpts are odd, not isolated to a few sites, looks like quiet a few..

www.lirs.org...

In 2015, refugees documented in this report earned a collective $77.2 billion in household income.

They also contributed $20.9 billion in taxes. That left them with $56.3 billion in disposable income, or spending power, to use at U.S. businesses.

a reply to: Xtrozero

yea that sounds okay, friends Dad was border control in El paso 70's-80's and they use little vibration detectors back then, before trail cam days.

The virtual wall notion was mention, not sure how they would work, though was thinking an electric fence would work pretty good and just equip tear gas dispensers that work on motion sensing...drones for sure been helping.

since can see them coming now and know where their main cross over points are located at, does not really seem to help with keeping them out, as think it is going to entail robots guards eventually and what is planned.

Personally like to see the situation resolved in the immigrants country... create jobs and help resolve the conflicts....seems like the USA caused the majority of the crisis anyways.

originally posted by: dojozen

Must be some errors in their formula


just browsing the titles and excerpts are odd, not isolated to a few sites, looks like quiet a few..

www.lirs.org...

In 2015, refugees documented in this report earned a collective $77.2 billion in household income.

They also contributed $20.9 billion in taxes. That left them with $56.3 billion in disposable income, or spending power, to use at U.S. businesses.

So if we had 14 million illegals working in the country the official number is only 50% pay income taxes, so simple math of 7 million divided by 20.9 billion is about 3000 total per worker in taxes paid. One of the problems with a generic statement as "taxes paid" is we do not know what taxes they are talking about...do they include state tax, sales tax, gas tax, housing tax etc etc...or is it just federal income tax.

In any case it isn't a very big number even though 20 billion is big in itself. When we look at the COST in taxes of these illegals that comes out to about 8,000 each or about 135 billion so we are 115 billion in the red...

originally posted by: dojozen

Personally like to see the situation resolved in the immigrants country... create jobs and help resolve the conflicts....seems like the USA caused the majority of the crisis anyways.

The funny part is we have the most robust immigration program right now than in our entire history with about 15% of our population as legal immigrants, and I think most want it to be even better.





Like the whole world has been with wars in the last 20,000 years...sucks to be the loser...

a reply to: Xtrozero

sounds like a lot of immigrants....

20,000 years is a long time...

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: stosh64

googled it and seems to be somewhat valid, least lot of results suggest it is.

Refugees Contribute More In Taxes Than They Ever Receive in Benefits
immigrationimpact.com/2017/06/16/refugees-contribute-taxes-benefits/
Jun 16, 2017 - Refugees pay an average of $21000 more in taxes than they receive ... Refugee resettlement has long been a cornerstone of United States foreign ... alone, America's responsibility to offer aid to those seeking refuge is clear.

Refugees and illegal aliens are apples and orgens.

a reply to: Xtrozero

that sounds a bit more realistic...so many things to consider, though not sure how it could help the economy...unless it was filling labor shortages or something like that.

See it helping their countries, 2017 $546bn was sent back home and $450bn of that goes to developing nations..

They would have had to paid that much in Taxes...

Social Security doubt they will ever collect, especially if using a fake ssn, as that might generate a decent amount of surplus funds.
maybe how they come up with this

a reply to: hillbilly4rent

Opting to skip the refugee or asylum status...

a reply to: Xtrozero

yea, i proposed that in another thread with something like this:




could inflate a landing airbag pad on the other site, send a drone over to drop it off and self inflate:

originally posted by: dojozen

SS and medicare is 7.65%, so the 50% that are in jobs that the employer actually pays taxes on if they made 30k a year that would be about 2300 per year, so in 9 or 10 years they will have paid 21,000 into those programs. I can't think of any other tax they would pay and not get the benefit from, can you?

At the end of the day who gives a crap, they should not be here in the first place, and their employers should be fined to the point it is not cost effective to take advantage of illegal labor pool.