Will the wall stop illegals?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

The point being if silly kids can scale buildings, 20-50ft walls ain't going to be much of an obstacle to the determined.

What if the wall is made of pointy spikes, like the design President Trump recently tweeted?

It’s just not as easy as you’re making it out to be. God forbid some kid listen’s to your advice and makes a try of it.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

We live on an island, Trumps wall is far different, it won't work logistically, so as to support for the US defending its border, there has to be a more viable plan than a few thousand km fences, which it what it will amount to.

Don't be picturing Escape from New York type scenarios, it will be a steel school fence in most places, that's if it ever materializes.

The school fence is what it is now... Its about numbers... lets say 400,000 per year try to cross. a 30 foot wall would be in the areas they can cross with good chunks of land that they can not cross at no matter what.

1. First the idea that we have 30 foot walls...how many people will decide not to come in the first place?
2. Out of 400,000 how many can even think about crossing the wall...lets give it a high percentage of 10%
3. How many actually get over the wall from that 40,000...looking at the people coming might as well rule out children, women and most likely 75% of the men too. So lets say 5,000 or even much less get over and in...that is a much easier number to deal with to pick up, detain, deport etc...
4. Wall also means motion detectors, patrols, drones... The company I work for can fly 4 drones per day and cover 140 miles of border for a full 24/7 from just one site of about 5 or 6 people. We can read your tee shirt at a mile during the day and see you foot step glowing in the dirt at night, and no one can ever see these drones. BTW we could do it on 8 gallons of gas per day...lol

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

The point being if silly kids can scale buildings, 20-50ft walls ain't going to be much of an obstacle to the determined.

Youre assuming they dont have breach security and they are built like a high rise wall though, which might not necessarily be the case, and they most certainly will be monitored.......

Still even then, like i said earlier, if even 20 percent of the tide is stemmed, it saves us Billions a year......so......

a reply to: Propagandalf

Don't be tagging me with the blame, that's happening with our without my input im afraid.

Good luck with those "pointy spikes" all the same.

It's not just easy its downright simple.

a reply to: Xtrozero

its like everyone ignores my post on the numbers.........

Also to say that no wall, in areas where people can literally just walk over under the cover of night, is better than having an obstacle in their way, just doesnt make sense......

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask


People aren't being honest, or else they've been conditioned by the MSM to parrot talking points.


But the biggest reason why we'll never see a wall (to be honest) is because it would be an effective legacy of Trump.

And anytime anyone wanted to tear it down, the optics would be of them as being for open borders.


Right now, open borders is probably polling badly, so the liars in DC are opting for saying "border security" instead of a wall. Border security is vague, nebulous, and can be defined any which way you like.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Well if you wish to head in that direction, landmines might be an option.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

Don't be tagging me with the blame, that's happening with our without my input im afraid.

Good luck with those "pointy spikes" all the same.

It's not just easy its downright simple.

That’s a dangerous lie.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I actually agree with what you say (as normal :p), If we want to keep some troops in Europe I would move to the more receptive countries, but that could also lead to us provoking a war in with Russia.


Either way its way above my pay grade, all I know for certain is the border as it stands now is not good enough to even remotely be considered good border security.

MBTM has it right, stemming the tide allows a much more robust response to those who might make it over or around a wall and makes it possible to use resources to deport those already here.

Using absolutes to argue, well almost anything, is not a winner.

No man made structure or object is fool-proof and anybody claiming or desiring such is a fool.

I believe if a wall is 80-90% of solution to illegal alien foot traffic across the border then its highly successful endeavor and well worth money.

a reply to: Propagandalf

So is your wall.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Xtrozero

its like everyone ignores my post on the numbers.........

Also to say that no wall, in areas where people can literally just walk over under the cover of night, is better than having an obstacle in their way, just doesnt make sense......

Of the 2000 miles about 700 of it needs walls observation etc... There is a big difference between just walking into the US and hiking it to a city etc than looking at a 30 foot wall that you must first get over. Then how long does it take to get over for a the few that can do it as motion detectors go off....Then once over it is a foot race against trucks...

We can not handle 10,000s of people in detention centers, we can handle 100s...Once these people are in we can't just drive them to the Mexican border and say nice try...They enter the "system" and that takes a lot of support...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

So is your wall.

No it isn’t. The existing walls and fences prove the opposite.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Well if you wish to head in that direction, landmines might be an option.

Lol not that kind of security ......

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Xtrozero

its like everyone ignores my post on the numbers.........

Also to say that no wall, in areas where people can literally just walk over under the cover of night, is better than having an obstacle in their way, just doesnt make sense......

Of the 2000 miles about 700 of it needs walls observation etc... There is a big difference between just walking into the US and hiking it to a city etc than looking at a 30 foot wall that you must first get over. Then how long does it take to get over for a the few that can do it as motion detectors go off....Then once over it is a foot race against trucks...

We can not handle 10,000s of people in detention centers, we can handle 100s...Once these people are in we can't just drive them to the Mexican border and say nice try...They enter the "system" and that takes a lot of support...

Yep absolutely agree....

a reply to: Propagandalf

If that's the case why would you require further walls? LoL

People are still coming.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

If that's the case why would you require further walls? LoL

People are still coming.

One wall is better than chunks of wall. Quite simple.

The wall will stop some illegals. It is not a secret that illegals also enter through other avenues. But I believe the majority come over the us/mexico border. There will always be someone who wants to dig a tunnel. Or someone who wants to dress in leisure ware, take a boat across the gulf and dock at a luxury resort like they were out enjoying the afternoon ocean waves. The less motivated can sit on the mexico side of the border and build catapults. "I will get you in to the US. What happens once you get there (the landing) is up to you." And there will be people lined up to launch themselves through the air in hopes of landing in a welfare line on US soil. In other words, we need to limit the benefits illegals can acquire to absolute necessity while awaiting deportation and no more.

originally posted by: Phoenix
MBTM has it right, stemming the tide allows a much more robust response to those who might make it over or around a wall and makes it possible to use resources to deport those already here.

Using absolutes to argue, well almost anything, is not a winner.

No man made structure or object is fool-proof and anybody claiming or desiring such is a fool.

I believe if a wall is 80-90% of solution to illegal alien foot traffic across the border then its highly successful endeavor and well worth money.

Not to mention it frees up billions to help people here, provided its not squandered by gov spending.....which....it probably will be, but still

What wall?
There ain't gonna be no wall....


Come on....