Are the French protesting Taxes or Muslims?

a reply to: JAGStorm

It's both and a few other things.

It started as a protest over gas taxes hicks. that actually won. The tax was taken away.

Now a bunch of other people have joined and taken over/changed the protest goals.

NO the taxes are NOT taken away ...just delayed for half an year !!
so the protest goes on !
main issue :
the rich and big companies gets all the favors and money from the gov .
while the poor and mid-class must bleed for it . !a reply to: scraedtosleep

a reply to: scraedtosleep

How dare you say "the tax was taken away"?

a reply to: ressiv

just delayed for half an year

I did not know that.

originally posted by: ressiv
NO the taxes are NOT taken away ...just delayed for half an year !!
so the protest goes on !
main issue :
the rich and big companies gets all the favors and money from the gov .
while the poor and mid-class must bleed for it . !a reply to: scraedtosleep

Yes and I saw a protester being interviewed and he was complaining that

there was too much month left over when his wages ran out... yet Macron

has had a new swimming pool built in his official residence.

Not hard to see where politicans priorities lie.

The last 8 years many leaders of countires spent more time helping import muslims then working on better conditions for their citizens.

It had cost a lot of money to import those people and even more money to maintain the presence.
Especially the police forces that need to constantly babysit them.

And now the governments needs more money from their people in the form of taxes.

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: JAGStorm

I'm sure that adds to it.

Let's try something. Raise gas prices in the US to $6-7/gallon and see what happens.

I have heard many liberals in the u.s. say they are willing to pay more in order to help others.

That's because they still have too much.

And the liberals are also trying that in the u.s

The actually want all gas gone and implement a more green source of power.

And to force people to go green. Gas will cost 6 bucks a gallon and piss a lot of normal folk off.

These global elites are completely out of touch with reality

And 1 question. Do the cars in France use gas or diesel?

I saw a video on YouTube a year ago about a gas vs diesel war coming to Europe by the go green envorinmentalist.

If they can push the idea that diesel is more toxic to the environment, American gas companies will skyrocket.

And against the citizens wishes, leaders will force citizens to switch by bankrupting them , by raising fees.

The conspiracy video mentioned even though the u.s. will see the idea fail in Europe they will still push for it.

While Europeans will be forced to switch to gas from diesel

Americans will be forced to abandon gas and pushed for a more green source of power.

Elites say the best way to change is to make one thing very expensive.

And its always interesting when the few who think they know what's good for the masses get to see how the people really feel when their idiotic plans are put forward

a reply to: Bloodworth

So I guess it follows the reason rent is so high is because the elites are trying to eliminate housing?

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Bloodworth

So I guess it follows the reason rent is so high is because the elites are trying to eliminate housing?

There are a set number of homes and apartments.
And people keep coming and coming.
It's only supply and demand.

i just saw a shot of some graffiti from the protests that says

A BAS LE CAVIAR
VIVE LE KEBAB

"down with the caviar, long live the kebab"

so i'd wager it's definitely - and defiantly - not about the migrants, at least for some.
The elite have been screwing us all since time immemorial, and as usual migrants are a handy scapegoat.

[i'd post the shot except i could never figure out how to make ATS behave]

Forced Socialist globalism has failed by the rejection of the people who are being forced to pay for it.

The machinations of the NWO are being dashed upon the shores amidst its delivery to the people.

a reply to: JAGStorm

What I have read on non USA newspaper web sites is that they are against "THE NEW WORLD ORDER"

I have seen no hint that the muslim population has anything at all to do with the protests.

What I see here is that they are generally unhappy about the cost of living and taxes.
From my point of view as a foriegner, it looks like a bunch of spoiled brats complaining about things other countries wish they could have. I know many of the people protesting personally (friends and family members). They complain about the middle class suffering, yet have never ever been homeless, never lost a job and been without income, have always had the best medical care in the world and never had a bill for it. They all have nice cell phones and big tv's, they all recieve financial aid for their kids and their schooling (this doesn't depend upon income, it is universally applied). They don't pay for their university education, they all take extra classes in arts and sports, all have the obligatory five weeks fully paid vacation a year, three year fully paid maternity leave, etc, etc......

I do realize that "needs" are relative to the individual, and what one might see as an essential need, another might view as a luxury, yet that does not minimize their sense of neediness.

So many think we're being taxed too much - the prices of fuel is three times that in the US, yet still lower than in the UK.
So the rise in fuel taxes was taken off the table( this was the original reason)... but then they just began to hollar for more.

What I see is that the french are primarily social people. They do not like individualism and they value highly group think, group movement, and large social events. Being swept up in mob mentality removes that sense of thinking for oneself apart from others - which they call "egoism" and consider undesireable.
Their revolution is held onto as the proof that good comes from mindless mob action.

So what I see here is some good people wanting to make the country better by paying less taxes. They come out during the day, bring their kids and wave at the cars. They are enjoying the festive energy and the honks of supportive citizens reinforcing their sense of civic conscience.

At night it is another story.

The women and children go home (for they all have one, have dinner to eat, shows to watch, video games to play and school to get up for the next day...). Only men are left. Males of all ages. Some of them were not there during the day. They set up a bar, set up burning fires and road blocks, and it becomes something else entirely...

Last week, I was trying to get home after babysitting my grandkids, it was late, I was tired and had work the next morning. I sat blocked in traffic for thirty minutes while men swirled around my car, each holding a whiskey bottle they were swigging on and the fires next to the road licked the doors of my car.

One man threw a pile of wood pallets in front of my car then turned back around to his buddies drinking around a fire.
I got out, and began pulling the pallets out of the road. The men started yelling at me. As I got back in my car, they quickly threw the pallets back. I reved my engine and went over them (yes, a four wheel drive is useful in such events). They threw bottles and cones at my windshield and I gunned it to get out as fast as possible. I saw no one else behind me got away.

The night before, in that same spot, a protester had pulled out a gun and began shooting into the crowds. The crowd jumped him en masse and beat him to a pulp. One of his eyes was literally hanging out of it's socket. Many people were run over by drivers who panicked. One woman was trying to rush her son to the hospital and they wouldn't let her by - she ran over and killed a female protestor.

The next night it was like a war zone - big fires were set, the police were using rubber bullets and smoke bombs, helicopters turned over it all.

There are people who simply are getting high off the release of collective energy in all this and getting out of hand. I don't think they are protesting anything. They are having fun.

After the night I ran the road block, I came to work to find blood all over our office and cops everywhere. A fight had broken out in the wharehouse, someone called in a gang of friends who showed up with steel bars and knives. A few of our young men still in critical condition.
This has nothing to do with the protests.... except as an example of what I am seeing as a general atmosphere of violence that is exciting and contagious - especially for young men, who just don't get to be warriors in this modern society, yet still have that drive.

I feel like someone just set off a Jumanji game here.

But not seeing any anti-muslim sentiment at all. But I am in the south, not anywhere near Paris, which is what is making foriegn news channels the most, I am guessing.

* It's a about the taxation indeed (France is one if not the most taxed per capita country in europe, perhaps the world) +40%.
* It's about the price and the lack of decent shelters throughout france for working people (i don't have the % but it's really high) there is a shortage since countless years and "clientelisme" is a big factor aswell: many mayors do what they want (proven fact), shelters are attributed to uneedy persons paid way above the minimum wage.
* It's about the recent gas taxes increase and the fake "ecology tax"
* It's about the deletion of "the rich tax" by Mr. Macron after the first few months of his election (i haven't voted for this clown by the way). The reasoning being the rich may invest here but it didn't happen (of course)
* For the students it's about the "free" university system which is essentially done (forced to go where the teachers say you would fit in) and also the price to attend university classes which has increased a lot in recent years for locals and foreign students (that + shelters problems indeed).
* It's about the government selling our best industries to the highest bidder (ArcellorMittal) and the said bidder then delocalize out of the country indeed. (1 example among countless)
* It's about Macron giving a "gay/trans pride" (i'm not kidding you) at l'élysée under the guise of "tolérance" and doing little for families of this country.

*** It's about messing around for too long with the middle class (before Macron days) and getting the right return of things i guess.

Does that speaks to you Black & White America ?
It may be bloody for a while, we'll see

a reply to: StoutBroux

Uhhhh. were not those the reasons for the mass exodus from England?

Which 'mass exodus'?

Unfortunately, we didn't learn our lessons.

The one lesson that history teaches us is that mankind never learns lessons from history.

We seem to be set permanently on 'wash, rinse, repeat'.

Its time to break the cycle.

a reply to: JAGStorm

It's about more than gas... surely. Wouldn't go rioting like this if it was about gas only.

Both are related issues.
When the influx of immigrants is out of sync with economic need, the out come will be higher taxes. Someone has to pay for the upkeep of those not working.

a reply to: Freeborn

There has never been a time in mankind's history when information has been so readily available...and on a global scale. Who can say how this will affect us going forward. Having said that, it doesn't seem to have made much difference so far.
We can only break the cycle by breaking up those long established institutions that prevent any real change.

a reply to: midicon

There has never been a time in mankind's history when information has been so readily available...and on a global scale.

Very true, but people tend to believe what they want to believe.
If information and facts go against pre-conceived ideas or opinions then they are labelled 'false news', 'false flags' or something similar.

And all information is filtered at some point and someone else's perspective or narrative is subtly added.

Who can say how this will affect us going forward. Having said that, it doesn't seem to have made much difference so far.

Good luck to them....I only wish people in this country had the courage to stand up for themselves....we tend to wait until the point of no return before we express ourselves.

We can only break the cycle by breaking up those long established institutions that prevent any real change.

And there are many 'long established institutions' that deserve to be raised to the ground here in the UK....why aren't we out protesting?

Anger can be power!