Macron deploys 89 000 strong security force for riots livestream

a reply to: 3n19m470

I don't care if you believe it or not. Transportation of the future is that it's a service. The trend is in general towards services and less "owning", I live in a city there's public transport, taxis and rent a bike kind of services everywhere. Why would I own a car?

My point still stands that those protests are just violent thugs. The interesting development in all of that is that the far left and the far right get united in their opportunistic violence.
That's a red flag right there.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: LABTECH767


Macron is a card-carrying Socialist...whom got elected as an Independent.

And he doesn't have to worry about election until 2022.

a reply to: IAMTAT

He was a socialist , he's a centrist with a new party called En Marche , backed by the European People's Party . An EU stooge through and through . Besties with Merkel Tusk Junker Barnier the whole EPP crew .

They're traditionally known as the party of the centre right in Europe , his policies come from them .

That in iteslf one very good reason for the French to be asking hard questions of him in the first place , they should be now realising they've had the wool well and truly pulled . No wonder they're annoyed , and you can only see a new party with one member like that as being very vulnerable with no escape.

Nobody throws a revolution like the French. If history is taught me anything, when the French countryside heads into Pairs things get interesting. I am glad to see the French fixing their own internal problems as usual.

nvm

a reply to: ausername

Sure there's nothing bad about antifa and extreme right wingers throwing a few stones together. They now represent the new middle class. Screw the law abiding idiots which want to have nothing to do with them.
Is that in a nutshell what you say? I hope I misunderstood you...

originally posted by: DoctorBluechip
a reply to: rickymouse

So Trump has put his take upon these riots being related to carbon taxes ? He's going to do what suits him we know that already .
These riots today are because of the children which were being put on their knees, hands behind heads against the wall and in lines in a playground and being forcibly threatened by men with guns masks and armour, representing the French state and Macron .
This is the kind of emotive reason which brings that many people out . By way of reference the London riots of 2011 were caused in large part by a police execution in front of women with pushchairs .

Often riots have more than one reason for being. I am sure the gas tax adds more people to the riots as does what you are talking about. Most of the news shows gas tax as the main driver in this rioting but there could also be other people joining in with these.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: LABTECH767


Macron is a card-carrying Socialist...whom got elected as an Independent.
'La République En Marche' is a liberal, leftist, progressive party.

The proof as we say is in the Pudding, in this case Macron's action's have been almost entirely right wing, the closest he has gotten to left wing are some action's which would seem far more at home in a national socialist (AKA NAZI OR VICHY) government.

He has acted AGAINST his striking workers and not on there behalf, he has acted against the poor in his nation and NOT on there behalf, care to point out were in his actions he is a socialist (And by that I do not mean Liberal or Commie) because even if that is what he claim's that is definitely NOT what he is - in fact the Parallel was drawn between him and Margaret Thatcher were he is the the French Thatcher if you like with many of his policy's being an exact mirror of her policy's over here in the UK back in the 1980's - and the only reason we did not kick her out after her first term when her public rating's were in the bin was because the Falkland's war boosted her rating's due to public approval not of her right wing policy's - which were still far left of the later Cameron or May years - which the public hated but rather because of the euphoria of the moral and legal military victory over the Argentinian's whom had invaded the island's using post colonial Spanish claim's - even though they had lost them to the French and we had then bought them off of the french to justify there unjust claim to them.

Macron is NOT a paid up socialist or Liberal - of course as far as liberal is concerned that depend's upon your meaning - Liberal is taken from Liberty or Freedom remember - rather his brand of Liberal would be more the economic corporate liberal policy which has nothing to do with the POLITICAL AND SOCIAL liberal definition that traditional Liberal Party's including the oldest of them all the British Liberal's (the Wig's whom were the ultra elite but felt a bit sorry for the poor whom they were living off of back before the working class had voted or a LABOUR party over here in the UK).

What you in the states call Liberals are simply what we in the UK would actually call Loony Left - do not mistake them for Left wing in our (the Western European) definition they are lunatic left wing (or if you prefer FAR left wing and actually more of a rabble with no real unifying cause or spine to there loose alliance of disparate faction's) which is something else entirely and one stage from communism if allowed to go unchecked.

Macrons' actions are on behalf of the EU which he shares the dream of a single state, a nasty dream since it can then NEVER function as a democracy and so will require a dictatorship which is essentially what Brussels (the EU Parliament not the citizen's of the great and historic city or any other Belgians' sorry for them in having to have this trans European parasite in there country) IS - that is NOT LIBERAL, NOT LEFT WING and will only ever serve the WEALTHY, CORPORATIONS and the ELITE of the political class so in every way I have to utterly disagree with you if you think the man is a socialist because sorry he is most definitely not at least not in the correct definition of the term.

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: LABTECH767


Macron is a card-carrying Socialist...whom got elected as an Independent.
'La République En Marche' is a liberal, leftist, progressive party.

The proof as we say is in the Pudding, in this case Macron's action's have been almost entirely right wing, the closest he has gotten to left wing are some action's which would seem far more at home in a national socialist (AKA NAZI OR VICHY) government.

He has acted AGAINST his striking workers and not on there behalf, he has acted against the poor in his nation and NOT on there behalf, care to point out were in his actions he is a socialist (And by that I do not mean Liberal or Commie) because even if that is what he claim's that is definitely NOT what he is - in fact the Parallel was drawn between him and Margaret Thatcher were he is the the French Thatcher if you like with many of his policy's being an exact mirror of her policy's over here in the UK back in the 1980's - and the only reason we did not kick her out after her first term when her public rating's were in the bin was because the Falkland's war boosted her rating's due to public approval not of her right wing policy's - which were still far left of the later Cameron or May years - which the public hated but rather because of the euphoria of the moral and legal military victory over the Argentinian's whom had invaded the island's using post colonial Spanish claim's - even though they had lost them to the French and we had then bought them off of the french to justify there unjust claim to them.

Macron is NOT a paid up socialist or Liberal - of course as far as liberal is concerned that depend's upon your meaning - Liberal is taken from Liberty or Freedom remember - rather his brand of Liberal would be more the economic corporate liberal policy which has nothing to do with the POLITICAL AND SOCIAL liberal definition that traditional Liberal Party's including the oldest of them all the British Liberal's (the Wig's whom were the ultra elite but felt a bit sorry for the poor whom they were living off of back before the working class had voted or a LABOUR party over here in the UK).

What you in the states call Liberals are simply what we in the UK would actually call Loony Left - do not mistake them for Left wing in our (the Western European) definition they are lunatic left wing (or if you prefer FAR left wing and actually more of a rabble with no real unifying cause of spine to there loose alliance of disparate faction's) which is something else entirely and one stage from communism if allowed to go unchecked.

Macrons' actions are on behalf of the EU which he shares the dream of a single state, a nasty dream since it can then NEVER function as a democracy and so will require a dictatorship which is essentially what Brussels (the EU Parliament not the citizen's of the great and historic city or any other Belgians' sorry for them in having to have this trans European parasite in there country) IS - that is NOT LIBERAL, NOT LEFT WING and will only ever serve the WEALTHY, CORPORATIONS and the ELITE of the political class so in every way I have to utterly disagree with you if you think the man is a socialist because sorry he is most definitely not at least not in the correct definition of the term.

He is far from being right wing, he is more like the far left. His actions are not conservative in nature, they are liberal. Why can't you see that, I know many conservative people and many liberals. He is acting like the far left, not the moderate liberals. I have nothing against normal liberals but the far left do not think things through, then they try to protect their mistakes. Far right also tries to protect their mistakes, but base their actions off of historic practices. I am not fond of the far right either, they want to keep things the way they are and avoid extra taxes even if they are needed for a good reason.

originally posted by: caterpillage
a reply to: Peeple

Absolutely! The plebs have no business having cars, private transportation and the freedom it gives is only deserved by the rich and powerful.
The rest of us can walk.

And of course, they have no right to complain about being purposefully replaced with Africans and Middle Easterners.

a reply to: rickymouse

Utter rubbish, Right wing these day's refers to economic policy's in favor of the elite and he most certainly does back those.
Left wing in Western Europe - you yank's have no idea what it is believe me - is about Social mobility NOT COMMUNISM.
The EU is not about Communism EITHER it is about IMPOVERISHING the working class while electing the elite and all the while claiming to be doing it for the sake of ALL the people - which people one has to ask and the answer is the TROIKA which is a very small group of Money Men.
If you are looking at how the EU built up the poorer nations of Europe (Before in some cases then Trashing them or indeed even trashing the rich nation's such as Italy and Spain) that is more about consolidating power, financially indenturing those nation's and at the same time EQUALIZING the rate of pay among the poor of the EU so as to create a FAIR (for the corporation's) Job's Market and even cheap labor force across the EU to drive the economy for the elite and allow them then to make use of the entire block as a single market for there own economic pleasure.
I really think that sometime's you folk's have no idea what is really going on over here but still you are entitled to your opinion's even when they are wrong.

The EU Parliament is NOT socialist it is CORPORATE and is about demolishing the individual state's of the block's own Socialist system's in favor of a block wide economic and political corporate rule as a prototype of the real future NWO that those money men are dreaming of to make themselves into emperor's of the world.

a reply to: LABTECH767


Macron still taxes like a socialist.

True...he's a Globalist puppet...and propagating Socialism, worldwide, is the current mission of the elitist Globalists.

a reply to: LABTECH767

In Europe Right/Left get even more skewed than they've become here in the U.S.

It's magical puffery, however, and if we clear our eyes, the globalist behind the curtain reveals themselves to be prostituting and controlling issues both right and left. It's ALL for the elite and the dark vision they try and sell as light.

Once we realize that, we may all truly be holding hands in a united way.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

During the revolutionary war some of you would have been considered loyalist

Gross that you sit here and defend the power structures that are driving this world into chaos


Ugh

a reply to: IAMTAT

Not exactly, Socialists tax the wealthy to redistribute wealth and they can do that in a number of way's, welfare safety net's have to remain just that or they get out of hand so what is done instead by socialist government's (not commies) is to use that tax to subsidize company's that provide job's to the economy (a bit like taking with one hand and giving with the other but it work's to promote them into creating job's in order to minimize there tax burden and if they are clever those company's can end up paying a hell of a lot less tax over all that way than they appear to be doing so).
Socialist government's also impose minimum wage law's that keep the poorest employees with there head's and shoulders above the poverty line (which then moderately bites into that profit margin for those company's but actually not by very much at all except in the case of small business and then they are usually treated differently by such government's with a separate set of tax rules for them in order to aid them), they also reduce tax on the employed but since there are more people in job's and they are all paying tax all thing's going smoothly (once it is running) then the government actually then end's up with a tax surplus which it can then invest back into yet more subsidies for company's, social program's, education and healthcare support etc.

Right wing is a bit less intelligent, it is about burning the tree down you are living in, exploit, exploit, exploit and putting the burden of tax onto the poor, this is usually done by thing's such as Fuel Tax - it hit's everyone equally but if you are rich affect's you far less than if you are on the breadline, the same with tax on good's, tax on utility's, rent's etc. these are the kind of taxes the right wing sneak's in to undermine and demolish the left wing and to consolidate wealth back into the hand's of the minority while moving the tax burden onto the poor.
Hey it happened to the state's over the course of the 20th century, you went from being a nation of small business were those business payed the bulk of the tax to a nation of large business raking in almost all the profit that the nation can generate while your workers not your business now pay the VAST bulk of the tax.

In the UK the Tory's (including the condem period) cut's to the public welfare system has led to a collapse in our high streets, they try to claim that this is all down to changing shopping habit's and people moving to online purchasing but in truth it is actually directly related to the benefit (welfare system) cut's were those benefit's acted as a kind of informal subsidy to the retail industry, most benefit claimant's only received enough to live a week at a time and so everything they received from the state then went full circle by turning into food and utility's going back into the private hand's of the retail industry and the utility suppliers and thence back in tax revenue and job's supported by those industry's into the government coffer's to be recirculated once again - the very year they imposed the first sanction's (Stopping benefit's for some claimant's entirely) entire high streets in town's up and down the UK started to die, the shop's already competing with online retailers but kept afloat by the weekly rush of the benefit claimant's to buy there necessity's of life suddenly lost that source of revenue and the result over here was that some of our high street's already under stress have become like ghost town's.

In a WESTERN socialist taxation system at it's basic, the poorest pay a lower percentage of tax while the wealthiest (whom don't feel it as much since they earn excess to there need's) pay a far higher percentage since they earn there money from the same economy, the rich can be taxed up to and even beyond half of there earning's while the poor may be taxed as little as a penny in the pound, as a smoke screen the Tory's and Condem's abolished income tax on very low earners but all that was for was so that they could justify reducing tax still further upon the highest earners while as the same time abolishing the welfare system's in the UK and this is also the direction most of western Europe is heading while the population sleep walk into slavery.

a reply to: The GUT

Absolutely true, in Europe left and right wing are sometime's just smoke screen's and you have to wait till the pie is done before you know what you went and voted for, it can be and usually is a bit of a let down for the poorest in society whom almost always vote left but almost always end up even if there party win's with a set of right wing policy's, this is the way it has been since the end of the 1970's in most of western Europe.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: rickymouse

Utter rubbish, Right wing these day's refers to economic policy's in favor of the elite and he most certainly does back those.
Left wing in Western Europe - you yank's have no idea what it is believe me - is about Social mobility NOT COMMUNISM.
The EU is not about Communism EITHER it is about IMPOVERISHING the working class while electing the elite and all the while claiming to be doing it for the sake of ALL the people - which people one has to ask and the answer is the TROIKA which is a very small group of Money Men.
If you are looking at how the EU built up the poorer nations of Europe (Before in some cases then Trashing them or indeed even trashing the rich nation's such as Italy and Spain) that is more about consolidating power, financially indenturing those nation's and at the same time EQUALIZING the rate of pay among the poor of the EU so as to create a FAIR (for the corporation's) Job's Market and even cheap labor force across the EU to drive the economy for the elite and allow them then to make use of the entire block as a single market for there own economic pleasure.
I really think that sometime's you folk's have no idea what is really going on over here but still you are entitled to your opinion's even when they are wrong.

The EU Parliament is NOT socialist it is CORPORATE and is about demolishing the individual state's of the block's own Socialist system's in favor of a block wide economic and political corporate rule as a prototype of the real future NWO that those money men are dreaming of to make themselves into emperor's of the world.

There are elites in both the right and left, a lot of the rich are going left these days. The left supports their own elite class. That is the way it is here and if you look at it, that is probably the same there. If you are left, you tend to see left beliefs as real and pertinent. Look at it from the middle and open your eyes to reality. Globalists tend to utilize leftish tactics and evidence to push their takeover. Both socialism and communism could be a decent way of life for the world but in reality, it is the elite that control both of them and neither are for the best interest of the common person. The elite want more power over the masses, it has been that way for thousands of years and it isn't going to change much in the near future.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

From the link

“So far this political aspiration has not materialised because Macron’s policiesstubbornly follow an old and failed method of limiting the role of the state and provide tax breaks for industrialists and financiers for the rejuvenation of the entrepreneurial spirit.

The people can only take so much suffering before they demand a fair break.

People in other democracies need to rise up as well - enough is enough.

a reply to: ausername

Charming, the cops keep coming back to further beat them. Do the cops somehow think this will set an example for other protesters?

"do not disobey our authority"