Maned Mars Mission and Beyond

It seems to me "The Plan" if there is one is all cockeyed, You have to have a ship first. So why not build the ship? The cryogenic chambers can be added latter. The building of the ship might be the thing to spur the cryogenic technology for deep space travel.

I think a modular design, assembled in space would probably be the best option,
that is for a large enough ship.

some Modules could be standardized, prize for best modules, and overall design

Orion spaceship

How are they going to put a mane on Mars, and what kind will it be? Horse hair? Fox? 😂 (I love typos in thread titles)

originally posted by: I8THATAPPLEFRITTER
It seems to me "The Plan" if there is one is all cockeyed, You have to have a ship first. So why not build the ship? The cryogenic chambers can be added latter. The building of the ship might be the thing to spur the cryogenic technology for deep space travel.

I think a modular design, assembled in space would probably be the best option,
that is for a large enough ship.

some Modules could be standardized, prize for best modules, and overall design

Elon Musk IS building the ship. It's called the BFR. By being big, you don't need to need to assemble modules in orbit; you just need to refuel it and go.

SpaceX Mars rocket

a reply to: LookingAtMars


And people are going to live harmoniously inside this craft for...SIX MONTHS????

I don't think so!!!

Can you imagine how many times 3-4 people take a crap in 6 months??? Can you imagine living with even your wife, husband or child in a tiny closet for 6 months? A space so small you had to say excuse me every single time you stretched your arms or legs??? No outside, no fresh air, no sunshine, just 180-220 days of being stuck together inside a tiny, tiny, space!

And when they get off this craft on the surface (if they even make it), would anyone really be surprised if the first thing they did was just run as far as they could in opposite directions over the Martian horizon never to return. Science be damned, that's just insane!

I mean, just think about how much bigger even the first ISS module was before it was inhabited. Now compare that to Orion. You'd be living in something the size of an oversized phone booth. Living, eating, recreating, washing, doing bodily functions, with absolutely no escape (not even for 5 minutes). Two hundred days!

Oh sure, everyone would be professional for about the first 6-7 days, then the bickering would start, then the beatings...and then...(silence). "Are we there yet? Are we there yet???? ARE WE THERE YET?????" Yeah, right!!!

Nope, they're gonna' need a lot bigger bus than Orion to travel to Mars!!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

The return trip will be the bitc# after living on Mars a year or so.

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

The return trip will be the bitc# after living on Mars a year or so.

That too...IF they make it that long!

And that's a big "IF"!!

ETA...given the choice between the 6 month trip home and the 9-15 second trip "home", which would you choose after a year there?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

15 for sure, by then you want to go home bad enough to get back on the spaceship.

Cryogenic fueling/re-fueling is no easy task here on Earth.

Cryogenic fuel transfers in zero, or even low gravity environments promises to be many times more difficult.

a reply to: Bhadhidar


I think a few orbits of Mars without landing would be the way to go. Maybe a probe drop.

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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: LookingAtMars


And people are going to live harmoniously inside this craft for...SIX MONTHS????

I don't think so!!!

NASA does not intend to use the Orion alone, by itself, to get people to and from Mars.

NASA's tentative plan is for Orion to be part of a larger craft, one that includes a habitation module, similar to a module on the ISS, or maybe a Bigelow inflatable module. NASA is currently working with Bigelow on concepts for this Orion/Bigelow Mars cruise module.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Okay, well that sounds a little better.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People
Yea, I will take the first trip back then.

Well .. SpaceX is building their BFR?
Didn't you know?

a reply to: I8THATAPPLEFRITTER

www.space.com...

Like I said cryonics, (hibernation) and speed of flight are the key to long range space flight.
By the way, human waste can be jettisoned so you don't have to take it around mars.

everything else is mute

The priorities should be put just on these 2
Putting anybody on mars is ridiculous.

I would probably go with a crew of 2,
whip around Mars or another object drop a probe. and bee-line back to earth orbit. That would be the next step in space travel.

As far as cryonics are concerned I don't think they are that far away from some breakthroughs. But you have to have a fast ship.