Russia Accused of Firing on Ukrainian Ship in Naval Standoff

There's a standoff between Russian and Ukrainian naval forces in the Kerch Strait near the Crimean peninsula , a Russian ship fired on a Ukrainian naval ship and a tug boat was rammed.

Following the incident, Russia accused Ukraine of "provocative actions" by not informing it in advance of the journey. Moscow alleged that Ukrainian ships had been manoeuvring dangerously and ignoring its instructions with the aim of stirring up tensions.

A statement released by Ukraine's foreign ministry denied the allegations. "Russia's provocative actions in the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov have crossed the line and become aggressive," the statement said. "Russian ships have violated our freedom of maritime navigation and unlawfully used force against Ukrainian naval ships."
www.aljazeera.com...

Russia also parked a large cargo ship beneath the Crimean Bridge to stop Ukrainian ship passing beneath it , there are also reports of pro-Russian separatists taking over parts of Donbass in southeastern Ukraine.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand here we go again.......

This whole thing between Ukraine and Russia will never be over I fear.......

Also, I thought we stopped ramming ships post Greecian naval combat

If I were the leaders of the Ukraine, I would not be trying to do anything to challenge Russia. Maybe they are in the right, but having your whole country destroyed just because you have goat horns is not a good idea. Look at all the countries that have been trashed because they challenged Russia. Doesn't matter if the USA comes to the rescue, all of the Ukraine will be gone. Who cares who is right or who is wrong when it leads to your destruction. I guess the leaders of the Ukraine feel they are snug since they got bunkers.

originally posted by: rickymouse
If I were the leaders of the Ukraine, I would not be trying to do anything to challenge Russia. Maybe they are in the right, but having your whole country destroyed just because you have goat horns is not a good idea. Look at all the countries that have been trashed because they challenged Russia. Doesn't matter if the USA comes to the rescue, all of the Ukraine will be gone. Who cares who is right or who is wrong when it leads to your destruction. I guess the leaders of the Ukraine feel they are snug since they got bunkers.

Im glad the founding fathers didnt feel that way.........

I wonder what the world would be like without bullies?

I also feel as if rusha is not as strong as they pretend to be. The most wise coarse would be to give crimea back. Things did not work out so well for the ussr back in the day...

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yeah, about the ramming of ships aka "accidents" and other incidents.


USS Donald Cook vs Sukhoi 24
USS McCain vs oil tanker
USS Fitzgerald vs container ship
USS Laboon vs scuba diver?
KNM Helge Ingstad vs oil tanker (Is it KNM or HNoMS?)

All of the above were equipped with the Aegis Combat System. With the exception of the norwegian frigate they also had Ballistic Missile Defense capabilities. Could be part of the same pattern. And those are only the incidents that became public. It might only be the tip of the iceberg. The USS Laboon incident is not very well known:

Mystery Persists Over Possible Incursion at Naval Station Norfolk

The Navy Is Still Baffled By The Mysterious Scuba Diver Reportedly Spotted At Naval Station Norfolk


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How many Americans died because some of the leaders of this country decided they wanted to collect all the tax money people paid in. That was just a power struggle, in reality ninety percent of the people in this country did not benefit from the revolution, in the end they had lost lots of loved ones and had to give our new government money and supplies.

We have been fed a lot of lies over the centuries. Was it really worth us becoming our own country, not for eighty percent of us surfs. We have even been programmed to feel we have freedom, that is not true, society dictates us and is in charge of government, the top society people control most everything, including how to interpret the laws.

I do like living here but I know many of our people fought wars and gained no benefit because the people at the top suck the life out of us. But our present government is better than what most European governments are and better than most of the governments around the world too.

originally posted by: MindBodySpiritComplex
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yeah, about the ramming of ships aka "accidents" and other incidents.


USS Donald Cook vs Sukhoi 24
USS McCain vs oil tanker
USS Fitzgerald vs container ship
USS Laboon vs scuba diver?
KNM Helge Ingstad vs oil tanker (Is it KNM or HNoMS?)

All of the above were equipped with the Aegis Combat System. With the exception of the norwegian frigate they also had Ballistic Missile Defense capabilities. Could be part of the same pattern. And those are only the incidents that became public. It might only be the tip of the iceberg. The USS Laboon incident is not very well known:

Mystery Persists Over Possible Incursion at Naval Station Norfolk

The Navy Is Still Baffled By The Mysterious Scuba Diver Reportedly Spotted At Naval Station Norfolk


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LoL thank you for the links theres some definitely interesting stuff there.......some sights to see in action to be sure

a reply to: rickymouse

Was it really worth us becoming our own country,

Yes , absolutely it was.........

Just because some people along the way have tried to hijack it, or have become greedy , thats neither here nor there......

Absolutely it was worth it.........

I cant wrap my head around the line of thinking that it might not have been or it wasnt.......

Thats not an insult to you, we just obviously think much different........

Even as someone who was enlisted and was sent into battle.............

Most enthusiastically, YES ........Yes it was worth every drop of blood that watered the tree of liberty, and its worth mine to keep it.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Regarding the latest "accident" on that list (Nov. 8 2018) - some ATS threads:

Frigate And Oil Tanker Collided In Norway by Hellmutt

Another Navel Frigate collision. And Who owns the yacht, My Dr. No. by Violater1

Plus an old thread from 2004:

Aegis-Equipped Norwegian Frigate! by WestPoint23

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

What is George Washington noted for....chopping down his parents cherry tree.

Think about that for a while.....for the first two generations after the US broke away from England, it was hell in this country. We are led to believe this country is of the people, it is not that way, a half million people run this country, the rest of us just follow the lead.

A Far as governments go, we have it way better with ours, better than all of the Europeans have it. But I see a very fast downgrade happening over the last twenty years, our people's quality of life is not as good. There are many groups in our society that are deceiving us while making us believe we are better off than back thirty years ago. That is false, I have lived through what has happened and listened, watched, and evaluated many situations in this countryu.

a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

All these were due to not paying attention,except the fly by and false claim it turned off the Aegis.

Russia is doing something in the sea of Azov and needed to block potential witnesses or those who would interfere. What is worth risking war over, unless Russia's movements in Azov are for the purpose of causing war?

Murad Gazdiev (RT correspondent) posted on twitter: "Russian Federal Security Service says Ukranian vessels are returning to their home port, were NOT boarded by Russian Special forces or shot at. Which would mean the Ukranian Navy was lying."

But his post was deleted quickly. Now it seems Russia is falsely claiming that the Ukranian artillery boats fired into a Russian city.

Just been mentioned as an update on Sky News that Ukranian President has convened his war cabinet.........

originally posted by: TheOne7
I wonder what the world would be like without bullies?

I also feel as if rusha is not as strong as they pretend to be. The most wise coarse would be to give crimea back. Things did not work out so well for the ussr back in the day...

Russia isn't giving Crimea back...
The black sea gives Russia easy access to most of eastern Europe and is probably the fastest route for an army to pass through.

a reply to: SpaghettiHero

I see your point but they may have said the magic word this time... Pretty please...

opensaysme

Shame they didn't sink those Nazi Ukrainian ships. The western left wants to complain about made up Nazis, maybe they should challenge the NATO/EU supportive foreign policy towards an actual Nazi regime

originally posted by: MindBodySpiritComplex

KNM Helge Ingstad vs oil tanker (Is it KNM or HNoMS?)

KNM is the norwegian name, Kongelig Norsk Marine
HNoMS is english, His Norwegian Majesty's Ship

Video has emerged of the Russian ship rams Ukrainian tugboat.


Looks like a deliberate act to me.

originally posted by: MindBodySpiritComplex
USS Donald Cook vs Sukhoi 24

At issue in the days after the incident in the Black Sea were unsubstantiated claims in Russia print and social media that a Su-24 aircraft "equipped with the latest electronic warfare complex, Khibiny," had managed to jam and shut down the Cook's radars along with other electronic systems. Among other findings, the researchers discovered that the Khibiny is not installed on Russian Su-24 aircraft.

According to no less than the manufacturer of the Russian EW system, known as the Concern of Radio-Electronic Technology, which is part of state enterprise Rostech, the system is only installed on Su-30, Su-34 and Su-35 aircraft.

defensesystems.com...

“By the way, nowadays Khibiny is being installed on Su-30, Su-34 and Su-35, so the famous April attack in the Black sea on USS Donald Cook by Su-24 bomber jet allegedly using Khibiny complex is nothing but a newspaper hoax. The destroyer’s buzzing did take place. This EW system can completely neutralise the enemy radar, but Khibiny are not installed on Su-24.”

medium.com...

USS McCain vs oil tanker
USS Fitzgerald vs container ship

Seventh Fleet spends on average over 30 days more at sea than any other Fleet in the US Navy. That means less time for training, less time for maintenance, and eventually, more accidents.

USS Laboon vs scuba diver?

This was almost a year ago now and the Laboon is still sailing and stuffed no damage.

All of the above were equipped with the Aegis Combat System. With the exception of the norwegian frigate they also had Ballistic Missile Defense capabilities. Could be part of the same pattern. And those are only the incidents that became public. It might only be the tip of the iceberg. The USS Laboon incident is not very well known:

All escorts in the US Navy now have Aegis, and they're putting the BMD into them as they get upgrades to the latest Aegis baseline. By the end of FY19 the Navy will have 41 BMD equipped ships, with 57 by FY23. The majority of these are Burke class destroyers, of which there are 65 in service currently. The full up BMD system is only currently effective against theater class weapons (SRBM, MRBM, and IRBM). They aren't planning to pit it against ICBMs until the mid-20s at the earliest. They can send radar data to systems that can target an ICBM, but they'd only be backing up multiple other systems just as capable.

news.usni.org...

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As it should be when misinformation is being used.