MI6 Scrambling To Stop Trump From Releasing Classified Docs In Russia Probe

a reply to: Grambler

Counselors have a saying that they give to victims of abuse, who are coerced into "keeping secrets" to protect the abuser:

"We are only as sick as our secrets."


There's an older phrase in the same vein:

"Fiat iustitia, ruat coelem." --let justice be done, though the heavens fall.

a reply to: Grambler

The problem with that theory is the US ignored the intel the UK passed on and ignored calls for further investigation. It was a good six months later that the US agencies opened their investigation. If the US was using the UK as a proxy to spy on Trump why would they ignore the data and not act sooner, and how did all the other nations pick up similar chatter and warn the US?

a reply to: Grambler

I would be very surprised if all potential Western leaders aren't spied on to some degree before they become elected. You can guarantee there will have been some investigation into Obama prior to his election, for example. Same for all leaders, both sides of the Atlantic.

Like i said before, morally and ethically it is very wrong but it makes perfect sense from a Security / Intelligence perspective. Trump is very wrong to think he is in any way special to be the focus of this - he is simply the latest in a long line. If he chooses to try to end this practice, he should go about it by going after those that sanction these actions - not the agents that risk their lives for their nations. As Bastion pointed out, trust goes a long way in the intelligence community.

A large aspect of US intelligence is reliant on foreign intelligence assets - something to ponder before shattering any trust.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Grambler

Well of course they are.

Don't spy on US citizens if you don't want to be rendered and held at a US black site

At least that is my hope for them. We can't indict Russians for spying without doing the same to the UK

As far as I'm concerned, this is not just worth breaking the alliance over but it is worth severing all diplomatic/trade relations over... unless of course all UK government/intelligence/military officials involved (and I mean every single last one, every person who even knew about it actually) turns themselves over to US authorities unconditionally. Otherwise, time to hold them fully accountable for their crimes against our people

Either that or US citizens should start providing technical knowledge to UK citizens to assist them in subverting their government's mass surveillance, drawing them out & exposing their personal private information & identities, etc. Some significant punishment is well past due, however.

You'd think a country we so thoroughly whipped and embarrassed in multiple wars would've learned better. All that socialism/bureaucracy must've just rotted their government's brains I suppose

It is the UK citizens I feel sorry for. Many great people in that country, freedom loving anti-socialist/anti-leftists who are under the tyranny of a minority. Why on Earth haven't they deposed, abolished and replaced their failed corrupt government yet?

When did you whip us and embarrass us in so many wars? Please elaborate.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: Grambler

The problem with that theory is the US ignored the intel the UK passed on and ignored calls for further investigation. It was a good six months later that the US agencies opened their investigation. If the US was using the UK as a proxy to spy on Trump why would they ignore the data and not act sooner, and how did all the other nations pick up similar chatter and warn the US?

Oh Wel then no doubt this uk intel is being looked at now by mueller and will finally prove carter page and others were Russian spies as the fisa warrant suggested

I guess we will wait and see

If not, then it looks like the uk worked with Obama to subvert Obama’s opponent for president

a reply to: bastion

Sorry It is not legal under the Patriot act. UK spying on a US citizen running for office is a huge scandal.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Oh don't worry, the truth will come out, just not YOUR fabricated one the leftist goons want to create

I'm not on the left .

And I doubt we will ever know the real truth. That is just not how the system works. And yes trump is part of that system same as the rest.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: bastion

Sorry It is not legal under the Patriot act. UK spying on a US citizen running for office is a huge scandal.

They didn't spy on Trump, they passively intercepted cables from Russian state to members in the Trump camp (done under IPA, cross checked with RIPA).

There's no manpower or resources for them to waste spying on him (2594 employees, less than 1200 agents to 20,000+ on the terrorist watchlist then there's international security and national security and financial security on top) and certainly can't risk the political scandal. As much as they'd have liked to, they simply don't have enough people to do their role let alone take on this.

a reply to: bastion

And you have this inside information of what they did and didn't do how?

originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: Grambler


They are leaving President Trump no choice but to take off his gloves.

The deep state has divided America, and just like Lincoln, the President must make the decision to either let it split, or keep it together.


This is a question to any on ATS who cares to answer.

Let it split?

or

Keep it together?

Keep it together. Freedom for all and the Bill of Rights to confirm that freedom.

We have to keep the ground rules we started with or else we are split. To not keep the BOR is to succumb to tyranny.

There are parts of both political parties that want to eliminate rights for their own narcissistic power and wealth like the Bush/Clinton's have proven. We have to work to keep the Republic.

a reply to: Grambler

I said way back from the get-go the UK had reason to interfere with the US elections, Skripal etc. etc... This just confirms my theory. Obama didn't want to trade with the UK out of the EU in 2016 and the Tories and MI6 made plans to put their puppet in office(so they thought). Skripal was a loose end... Never trust a cornered rat and currently, there are 316 of them squirming in a political tight Brexit spot.

a reply to: bastion

You need to do some research on Stefan Halper and Joseph Misfud.

Halper is not a prominent public figure, but he is well known in foreign policy circles. Some information about his links to CIA and MI6 as well as the British intelligence service is available in the public domain. He is the son-in-law of Ray Cline, a legendary CIA officer who was the agency’s top analyst during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Halper also served on former President George H.W. Bush’s failed 1980 presidential campaign. He worked with a team of former CIA officers on an opposition research team. Halper would go to work on the Reagan campaign. There he was involved in a small scandal called Debategate, in which a small cadre of Reagan aides obtained debate notes from former President Jimmy Carter. Halper denied wrongdoing.

In recent years, Halper has worked closely with Sir Richard Dearlove, the former chief of MI6. They are both partners at the Cambridge Security Initiative, an intelligence consulting group that lists “UK and US government agencies” among its clients.

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a reply to: carewemust

Agree, if release it before Mueller, it will just be another reason to Mueller to continue investigating.

a reply to: chuckk

needs to hurry up.
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