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originally posted by: DanDanDat
Ohio bill to ban abortion? I was under the impression that if Bert Kavanaugh was confirmed to the Supreme Court it would mean a national end to abortion ... someone ought to tell the people in Ohio they are just being redundant.
What power does Kavanaugh have within a republic of, supposedly, a republic?
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: InTheLight
What power does Kavanaugh have within a republic of, supposedly, a republic?
Himself? Not much. But with a SCOTUS majority of like thinkers, quite a lot.
Of course, he did say quite publicly that Rove v. Wade is "settled law."
We'll see what happens. Holding him accountable is problematic now that he's seated.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician
this law that we are discussing seem to ban abortion, in all cases! no exemptions whatsoever. if places the right of the fetus' life above the life of the pregnant woman.... effectively revoking the most basic right to any and all pregnant women, since although it's only around 1% of women who this law might adversely effect, any women who becomes pregnant will become sub-equal to the small cluster of cells growing within her. Believe me when I say this, women see enough women dying in hospitals because the rights of the fetus (even when that fetus manages to embed itself in the wrong place, like a fullopian tube, men will find it much more difficult to find relief from their sexual impulses!!!
and, the women don't pay a price bit.... that is bull crap!!! men get off with paying a percentage of their paycheck, it is dependent on their earnings and the courts usually leave enough for them to live on. women spend 18 or so years raising the kid, which kind of interferes with their earning ability some, and while you say that women hold all cards when it comes to sex, men do hold all the cards it seems when it comes to money!!! they also spend 9 months with the little tyke putting extra stress on their body, and sometimes...
they pay with their lives!!!
which by the way, maternal deaths have been raising for awhile now and who knows maybe it's just coincindence, but that rise began about the same time as the catholic hospital system started taking over a large number of hospitals across this country. this bill would force every hospital in the state to operate like those hospitals do when things go astray and the termination of the pregnancy is the best solution to the women's health crisis.
The small cluster of cells that you so callously (and sociopathically) described, would one day become a living being, much like yourself.
As there is such a low percentage of women that actually die these days
originally posted by: DanDanDat
Ohio bill to ban abortion? I was under the impression that if Bert Kavanaugh was confirmed to the Supreme Court it would mean a national end to abortion ... someone ought to tell the people in Ohio they are just being redundant.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Anyone here hunt? If so, isn't one of the biggest reasons for hunting overpopulation? It's good for ther deer to have the herd thinned every once in a while. If the population isn't put in check they could destroy the environment around them. I guess the same logic can't be made for humans despite the fact that we are clearly destroying the Earth and its environment.
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: dawnstar
But don't start from a point of we are terminating and that's it, that's not the starting point for a proper moral choice, there is always risks to any surgery and medical drugs people take. People die of "complications" all the time in hospitals, that doesn't mean the hospital personnel didn't try their best, there are so many variables in play.
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: dawnstar
But don't start from a point of we are terminating and that's it, that's not the starting point for a proper moral choice, there is always risks to any surgery and medical drugs people take. People die of "complications" all the time in hospitals, that doesn't mean the hospital personnel didn't try their best, there are so many variables in play.
You could prevent 99% of all abortions very inexpensively by getting men to wear condoms.
As simple as that.
But the pushback here that I hear is that men think it doesn't feel as good... which implies that male sexual satisfaction is more important than easy and cheap and (the most effective) birth control.