How can Amazon stock be crashing when we are in the depths of the retail apocalypse?

a reply to: mikell

our malls here are basically empty and whatever is left is barely surviving, bunch of box stores closed recently like 6-7 months ago

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Fools

Construction has been booming but here is the problem with it

Its all debt spending. Thats the main problem. Also the construction materials and building stocks have been getting hammered for months

All spending these days is debt spending. However, that being said - one thing that has changed in my neck of the woods is that it did seem that all major products before 2016 were always connected to a local TIF (a local tax deferment) whereas since 2016 is seems only a small percent are needing that now. So that is a very good thing and if you are a left winger you should be happy about that - but you probably aren't because you aren't happy about anything except when you bum everyone else out.

here you are acknowledging the main problem, debt spending it's a big issue

a reply to: toysforadults


the 'Bubble Saturated' Tech Stocks are shedding that +300% over-valuation which the Fed/Central Banks created while Pumping-Up-The DOW & NASDAQ for so many years on their 'secret' Balance Sheets


the Market will continue to reel downward each month as both interest rates increase & as the Fed sells off the secretly held DOW/Tech Equities on their secretly kept Balance Sheets to the tune of ~$4 Trillion (or more)

with just the 'funky paper' the Fed has on Their Public Books, they are in a $50Billion per month = $600 Billion per Year
sell-off of their debt which they justify as QT (Quantitative Tightening) the reverse of the 10 years of QE (easing)~~ or somehing like that~~


the Central Bank is engineering the economic collapse/market decline on purpose... probably on orders from IMF or BIS



the US Silver Eagle is 1 Troy oz of 999% and is minted as $1 ->
the Canada Silver Maple is 1 Troy oz of 9999% & is minted as $5 ->

both coins have more Silver content than older dated circulated coins of either the US or Canada, Silver Dollars etc. So the reset will need a modern go-between like the SDR's to fix a price of the bullion coins during the 'transition period'

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Fools

christ do you have to boil down everything to "OMG COMMUNIST"

give it a break already

I will not because that is exactly what is happening. An entire 50% of the United States honestly think Communist policies are "American Liberal policies". And that is at the bottom of quite a bit of the nonsense you see going around. If you want to destroy a capitalist nation you first convince it that it is obligated to help all the poor out of poverty (impossible), then save the world from itself (impossible), then convince that nation that being a nation is racist or generally undesirable (almost accomplished), then convince the people of that nation that being who they are is wrong - even to the point where knowing what actual sex you are is wrong (being accomplished), and convince young people that being immoral and hyper-sexual as well as borderline criminal is what is COOL (almost accomplished).

There are reasons that people with power but these ideas in play. They do so to destroy this nation and replace it with Communism which they honestly believe is the best system. I am not saying this from a dim point of view. I am saying it from personal experience and years and years of study. My secondary at the University was History and I was sort of obsessed with the Soviet Union.

So what I am saying is true. There are high ranking people in the government, media, and corporations that literally want this United States to cease to exist as it does. They like the confusion that exists now and hope to demoralize to the point that eventually they can step in and make things right. If you have to die if you are in their way, then so be it. It is worse that a religion - far and away worse. But it has definite true believers.

But this is honestly thread drift so I will stop.

originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Fools

Construction has been booming but here is the problem with it

Its all debt spending. Thats the main problem. Also the construction materials and building stocks have been getting hammered for months

All spending these days is debt spending. However, that being said - one thing that has changed in my neck of the woods is that it did seem that all major products before 2016 were always connected to a local TIF (a local tax deferment) whereas since 2016 is seems only a small percent are needing that now. So that is a very good thing and if you are a left winger you should be happy about that - but you probably aren't because you aren't happy about anything except when you bum everyone else out.

here you are acknowledging the main problem, debt spending it's a big issue

If the debt is paid off on time then its good because the financial institution that funded it actually makes money. So all debt spending does not equal bad. Most equals money generation. Why do you think differently? Do you have trouble paying your credit cards?

originally posted by: 83Liberty
Amazons share price is still higher than at the start of the year though. It's just investors cashing in on their gains (share price has doubled in 2 years) and probably investing elsewhere like cryptocurrencies.

Amazon is most likely only going to get bigger and more dominant as they expand their business into different sectors and increase automation. I don't think the share price will ever get too low as investors will flock to buy them up again.

Bitcoin is going down in price as well, especially after that split into different Bitcoins. There's the problem right there. It used to be there was only the one and only Bitcoin, and that pushed the price up because there were only going to be so many Bitcoins. But now, they keep splitting into new currencies every now and again.

The debt crisis in 2008 never ended. The only difference between now and 2008 is we now have exponentially more debt. As long as, the dollar remains the world's global currency, more debt will continue & the dollar will continue to lose value. Every dollar one makes today is worth less tomorrow. The dollar has lost @ 85% of its value since we went off the gold standard in 1971. You'll start seeing more and more people moving into van's & RVs because their income can't keep up with rising bank manipulated real estate, insurance & cost of living prices. Amazon is the new Sears & the reason why Amazon stock is so high is from public speculation. Compare Ford's stock price to Tesla's stock price. Look and see that Ford outpaces Telsa in every aspect of their business & sells exponentially more vehicles, yet still has a dramatically lower stock price. This is because of speculation which creates unrealistic values. All the FANG stocks are extremely overvalued putting them in bubbles. Look at Snapchat's IPO price vs today's price to see its true value. The same price realization will happen to FANG stocks eventually, people just don't realize it yet.

a reply to: St Udio

the 'Bubble Saturated' Tech Stocks are shedding that +300% over-valuation which the Fed/Central Banks created while Pumping-Up-The DOW & NASDAQ for so many years on their 'secret' Balance Sheets


the Market will continue to reel downward each month as both interest rates increase & as the Fed sells off the secretly held DOW/Tech Equities on their secretly kept Balance Sheets to the tune of ~$4 Trillion (or more)

I've been reading about and hearing about the tech bubble which makes me nervous because I'm in the middle of acquiring a network security and operations degree. I've also been hearing Schiff talk about the balance sheets and secret spending a lot never really put those 2 together.

a reply to: JBIZZ

The debt crisis in 2008 never ended. The only difference between now and 2008 is we now have exponentially more debt.

bingo

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: rickymouse

Underlying factors are possibly no real growth in corporate profits ie if these corporations are making money its not in their core business but from investments, tax writeoffs, etc

No real growth in wages and in actual fact we are going backwards once inflation, power charges, food prices taken into account.

Residential values of property unwinding.

Does not bode well

When Apple is charging $1000 for a smartphone, new competitors are coming on the market (Huawei), rents are going up as Chinese investors buy up Silicon Valley homes as "investments" and not somewhere to live, displacing Silicon Valley workers who then relocate to Texas, Colorado and Nevada (Las Vegas), creating a property boom in those places, but pushing up the prices of homes and rents, which then displaces other people. That sucks money out of the consumer market.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: St Udio

the 'Bubble Saturated' Tech Stocks are shedding that +300% over-valuation which the Fed/Central Banks created while Pumping-Up-The DOW & NASDAQ for so many years on their 'secret' Balance Sheets


the Market will continue to reel downward each month as both interest rates increase & as the Fed sells off the secretly held DOW/Tech Equities on their secretly kept Balance Sheets to the tune of ~$4 Trillion (or more)

I've been reading about and hearing about the tech bubble which makes me nervous because I'm in the middle of acquiring a network security and operations degree. I've also been hearing Schiff talk about the balance sheets and secret spending a lot never really put those 2 together.

Don't worry there. Cybersecurity is a growing field. The more servers, desktop PC's, laptops, notebooks, and bits of old network hardware people keep around is going to continuously increase demand (everything from Smart TV's, wi-fi routers, 4G and Wi-Fi enabled fluffy toys like teddy bears, car dashcams and fridge freezers).

a reply to: stormcell

So I've heard. My actual main goal was the CISSP getting into the field but now that I'm balls deep into networking I haven't decided which direction to go yet. But I don't think I'll have a problem in that field it will be night and day better than working as a tile setter. The unions in this state are struggling it wasn't until last year it really got back to normal (pre 08).

a reply to: stormcell

Yeah you know I've heard about China coming here and buying up all the assets in Cali. They pickup companies as well. They have a smart government they will outlast us and take us over eventually. Our government is incompetent.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: rickymouse

Underlying factors are possibly no real growth in corporate profits ie if these corporations are making money its not in their core business but from investments, tax writeoffs, etc

No real growth in wages and in actual fact we are going backwards once inflation, power charges, food prices taken into account.

Residential values of property unwinding.

Does not bode well

I remember when the value of a corporation was judged by their sales coupled to their assets and debts. Now they are judging the value by future potential, which is far from a good way of doing it. Mismanagement can make the books show they are doing ok but in reality they are one step away from bankruptcy. The price of a stock can be manipulated to show a huge increase, if very few shares are traded, the company can boost the price with many small purchases and then bake a bigger purchase to jump the price up drastically which starts a spree of buying when people think it is going up. One group or person can drive the price way up with say a thousand shares bought and dump the shares with big profits.

The stock market is a scam where people learn to play it. You play the stock market like you play pool for money, the more skill you have the better your game.

originally posted by: toysforadults
I've been making these kinds of threads for a while now and I always hear the same thing about the retail apocalypse. It was said in almost all of my threads by someone.

It's because of Amazon.

Well...

www.google.com... 8

Look at the year to date. It's been in decline for a while. Black Friday is this week these stocks should be doing better.

Bloomberg

This is from 2017. So what's happening? Are we just suppose to ignore all of these indicator's because we like the president? Things aren't adding up in the market people. Something ain't right. Hasn't been right all year. I knew something was up when construction began booming when Trump became president and we were getting check after check after check from banks and I'm not talking saving's or checking accounts.

Jeff bezos came out and said "Amazon is going to fail, it's not a matter of it, it's a matter of when. My job is to delay that as much as possible."

Then stocks started dropping. Price of stock has everything to do with people holding it, and the reason people dump it is often times when confidence is shook from terrible press releases.

a reply to: SRPrime

well Bezos does sell billions of dollars worth of stock off and I'm pretty sure he was a hedge fund guy or some related roll on Wall Street so maybe he has more insight into this than we know, that or maybe someone else is buying it up at a lower price

but AWS isn't going anywhere

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: toysforadults

I made this statement in a thread the other day and it is relevant here...

Peace sells but who's buying....

The rich are getting richer and the poor poorer, it's only a matter of time till those without take from those that have, either we enter socialist hell where everyone is equal and there is no hope for improvement or we ( us plebs that is) die in a horrible war.... Yay for choices...

You have a very easy (effortless) choice. Stop having kids. Won't make one bit of difference if one person makes this choice. If everyone makes the same choice, that will make a difference. The governments of the world run on taxes. They need millions of pointless tax cows constantly pumping their resources into the machine. Stop making those babies and they WILL get that message. You lose absolutely nothing. There is nothing unique or honorable or special or even noble about making another pointless wage slave.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

check my recent thread on Japan we are already headed there

After the 2008 "crash," everything continued to go up except income. That's how you get unsustainable debt.

originally posted by: hombero
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

So life is an iron maiden song and we are all a bunch of dumb drones? Got it.

Iron Maiden? You mean Megadeth....


Know YOUR METAL!