Anti Smoking Laws and the Reality of the Totalitarian Police State

a reply to: burdman30ott6


A mate of mine who had asthma , said that if he smoked a pack a day, he never had an attack., then he met a good looking lady and got married. She didn't like smoking and because he was "In love" gave it up to please her. A year later he had an uncontrollable attack and died of a heart attack, brought on by nagging.
My uncle who smoked 60 untipped Capstan navy cut from about sixteen until 93 when he gave it up, died within eighteen months of Alzheimer's disease , his wife who was in the same rooms as him for seventy years, and hated smoking, outlived him and died at ninety nine.
The moral to this story, the present anti smoking, is purely BS as the medical establishment used to tell you to start smoking to stop Asthma and Alzheimer's about fifty years ago , but now they get paid for everyone that they convince to knock it off, and then prescribe Ventolin, and Alzheimer's, drugs. Which are big earners.
You also have the economic effect , just the same as when they started prohibition, which kick started the Great depression. How many jobs and industries have stopped because of the ban , how fat are people getting because of the appetite depressant qualities of tobacco, how depressed are people because they cant share a smoke like they used too. How much has the health of the nation improved because of the smoking ban? because to me it looks likes people started to get sicker from the day they started this nonsense.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Absolutely. Sound like great ideas to me.

What does any of that have to do with smoking indoors though? Im lost, help me out here.

a reply to: Hecate666

Or you could smoke outside. Problem solved. I misspoke, I meant to say go outside to smoke. The are actually 3 options, not just the two I listed. My bad.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

And some people can't get outside!

Your compassion and humanity are overwhelming

Are you arguing that there is not solid evidence that smoking tobacco or exposure to tobacco smoke does not prove a health risk? Can you provide any proof that supports your perspective? As it reads it looks like it's an opinion, perhaps a belief.

Im all for your "point" that you don't support removing the rights of one group (smokers in This example you provide) to protect another group (non smokers). I think you might want to look for a better example to make your case around... anybody got a light?

a reply to: AlienView

So hearsay and an isolated story are good sources of proof and evidence because why again?

Btw my friend was telling me about this dope bridge he's got, he mentioned it's for sale at a good deal!
a reply to: anonentity

So is the debate about whether you should be told to smoke or not or smoking on someone else's property?

I don't think the two can be combined and achieve the same result.

Wow, you're very rude to people to blow smoke in their face. knowing they don't enjoy it, and you admit it's also unhealthy But hey it's not as bad as the exhaust from a car engine so they should get over it?


a reply to: fightzone58

I operate a studio which rents space hourly. There's a firm no smoking policy I have to enforce which sometimes upsets my clients. Most want to smoke weed, a few smoke cigarettes. I have signs all over, at the entrance, the front desk, and In each studio. Clients will argue it's their right to smoke and my industry should look the other way. The next client who comes In is a class of 11 year olds now hotboxed from your leftover herb. The smell is in the carpet for days.

respect towards others who don't want to be involved with whatever you like to do

a reply to: AlienView

I think what you do in your own apartment or condo or house or car is all you. No one should be coming for you.

I do see where this could be a slippery slope, but as a non smoker, man am I glad they banned smoking in restaurants and airplanes and other indoor places. Do you guys remember how bad that was?

There's really no such thing as a non smoking section, the smoke wafts everywhere. If you don't remember, it used to be terrible.

Smokers don't seem to understand how much they stink at times. I'll have someone leaning in my door to talk to me, A gym, (A Health place!) with a smoke in the other hand or even worse a fruity smelling smoke thing. LOL

I live in Vegas and there's one major reason I rarely go to the casinos...It's a think haze of smoke when you go in. My eyes start watering instantly.

Don't worry I'm not coming for your smokes or fruity pink vapes...Just saying that banning in indoor public places was one of the best things we ever did. But what you do in the privacy of your own place is up to you.

Having said that, I would never live in a place that was that restrictive where someone could barge into my apartment or tell me what I could or could not do. Sometimes you have to suck it up and live where you have to, to make ends meet, but don't do it.

Again with VEgas the world capital of HOA-Home Owners Associations. I will never live anywhere with another home owners association as long as I live. Ever.

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

They shouldn't sign a lease that prohibits smoking indoors if they are planning on smoking indoors. If they are unable to get outside to smoke then they should find a place that allows it or just wait until they have the chance to get outside. Either that or they can risk eviction and do it anyways despite agreeing not to in the first place.

There's nothing wrong with expecting people to follow through with their word when they sign a lease. Who am I to say what rules landlords can or can't create?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1


You sign a lease to rent the place for a certain amount of rent. The moment the Landlord puts the rent up they have broken the agreement. But they don't seem to get sued.

For you people that like to smoke in restaurants and other public spaces you should move to one 9f those dirty commie socialist countries in Europe where they still haven't banned it....

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

LOL . You know whats Really FUNNY , You Mean It ! ................

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Do I....

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: burdman30ott6

A mate of mine who had asthma , said that if he smoked a pack a day, he never had an attack., then he met a good looking lady and got married. She didn't like smoking and because he was "In love" gave it up to please her. A year later he had an uncontrollable attack and died of a heart attack, brought on by nagging. My uncle who smoked 60 untipped Capstan navy cut from about sixteen until 93 when he gave it up, died within eighteen months of Alzheimer's disease , his wife who was in the same rooms as him for seventy years, and hated smoking, outlived him and died at ninety nine. The moral to this story, the present anti smoking, is purely BS as the medical establishment used to tell you to start smoking to stop Asthma and Alzheimer's about fifty years ago , but now they get paid for everyone that they convince to knock it off, and then prescribe Ventolin, and Alzheimer's, drugs. Which are big earners. You also have the economic effect , just the same as when they started prohibition, which kick started the Great depression. How many jobs and industries have stopped because of the ban , how fat are people getting because of the appetite depressant qualities of tobacco, how depressed are people because they cant share a smoke like they used too. How much has the health of the nation improved because of the smoking ban? because to me it looks likes people started to get sicker from the day they started this nonsense.

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Best reply so far.

But the fact that some people smoke and live longer than their non smoking friends is almost taboo to the agenda.

Been in a hospital recently? - You know one of the first things they ask you, especially if you are admitted as an
inpatient? - Do you smoke?

Yes there are some conditions and some medicines where smoking status might be related - But that is not the
prime reason they ask you if you smoke - They ask you if you smoke tobacco [ tell them pipes or cigars,
the'll still list you as a smoker] - and the reason they do this is if you die they will try to list your
death as smoking related to tobacco - Fact is if you die it is often related to modern day medical incompetence
and smoking makes a good excuse for this incompetence and fits the agenda of adding your name to the
statistical anti-tobacco agenda.

Not to say that tobacco is not full of health risks - It is - But so is medical incomptence and error which
kils many and is often listed as a major cause of death.

To you who say there is nothing good about tobacco and it should be outlawed completely consider this:


Recently, one of my favorite alternative health doctors, yes an award winning MD. William Campbell Douglass, MD
died at 89 - Douglass a lifetime cigar smoker is most famous for his alternative medicine books, including:

"The Health Benefits of Tobacco" [ a brave doctor to write such a book!]
From the book cover:

The benefits of smoking tobacco have been common knowledge for centuries. From sharpening mental acuity to maintaining optimal weight, the relatively small risks of smoking have always been outweighed by the substantial improvement to mental and physical health. Hysterical attacks on tobacco notwithstanding, smokers always weigh the good against the bad and puff away or quit according to their personal preferences. Now the same anti-tobacco medical establishment that has spent billions demonizing the pleasure of smoking is providing additional reasons to smoke. Did you know that many of the countries the smoke the most, have the longest life span? This controversial books will have you thinking and talking for quite some time.

Amazing that you can still buy this book in the US - Is it still legal in your country or have they outlawed it?

I read the book - In it he admits that both he and his wife were cigar smokers both smoking several cigars a day
- And yes he does agree that smoking, particulary the overuse of cigarettes might be harmful - But he believed
as many of us do that the statistics are flawed to suit the agenda. IMHO if they try to balme tobacco on every disease
that appears in a smoker - You'll always find some correlation.

That said to the person who asked me about second hand smoke and cancer - I'll again give you this:

"Study Finds No Link Between Secondhand Smoke And Cancer"

"A large-scale study found no clear link between secondhand smoke and lung cancer, undercutting the premise of years of litigation including a Florida case that yielded a $350 million settlement. The article in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute details a study of 76,000 women over more than a decade, which found the usual link between smoking and cancer. Lung cancer was 13 times more common in current smokers, and four times more common in former smokers, than in non-smokers. The study found no statistically significant relationship between lung cancer and exposure to passive smoke, however. Only among women who had lived with a smoker for 30 years or more was there a relationship that the researchers described as "borderline statistical significance." Over at the Velvet Glove, Iron Fist blog, however, journalist Christopher Snowden notes "there's no such thing as borderline statistical significance. It's either significant or it's not," and the reported hazard ratio was not.........." .
See whole article here:
www.forbes.com...



A final note: Vaping is shown to be much safer than lit tobacco and is currently allowed in some, if not most ot the housing that has bared lit tobacco smoking - Low order and far less danger and damage from second hand smoke, if any.

I think this is all PC bull crap.

If you don't like cigarette smoke, then tough.

I don't like perfumes or aftershaves or bad breath.

Except there are no studies that prove that perfume or aftershave (however bad it might smell) or bad breath can actually be hazardous or shorten someones life. Cigarette smoke does. Do those other things cause 34k deaths a years? Secondhand cigarette smoke does.

Nothing "PC" about it. 69 of the chemicals in cigs can cause cancer. So sad you think people are just being PC whiners about this.

a reply to: fleabit

Again maybe you should read the facts of a recent study - One more time:

"Study Finds No Link Between Secondhand Smoke And Cancer"

[Just scroll up the page to see it]

of see it here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

60 years ago had you suggested you wouldnt be able to smoke in restaurants, bars, cars or your home people would have laughed you off. Had you told them you will be forced to wear seat belts or face a fine or pee in a cup to keep your job they would say that "commie crap like that can't happen here". Government has access to you banking and medical records, location and know damn near everything about you.

Smoking was the tip of the spear, social behaviors have been molded at the expense of freedom and personal liberty. Few ever saw this coming and those who did were mostly those involved in implementing the control grid we are all vectors in now.

a reply to: anonentity

If they do it in the middle of your lease? That's illegal I'm retty sure. They can raise it after you've lived there for that particular lease but they cannot raise it after agreeing to take a certain amount.