What is Behind the Dramatic Rise in Violent Crime in the UK?

a reply to: andy06shake

Farmer here had travelers in his field so turned up with a 20 tonne load to dump in the entrance and trap them in if they didn't # off...they left but he still needed 20 labourers backing him up.

Sluggish economy + illegal drug dealing generally stimulates crime.

a reply to: Blue Shift
Was talking about it in the pub the other day, crazy bloke comes in with knives then we all grab bar stools or whatever to defend ourselves...gun attack not so much.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa
I am saying your overall violent crime would go down significantly yes. As hard as it may be to believe, violent crime has decreased in the USA year over year from the 1990's well into the modern year. FBI crime statistics show this to be true.

I know it is hard to believe when God preaches the Gospel the media covers every shooting like an election night runoff, but the drama portrayed on the screen just does not match the FBI violent crime statistics. It has only edged up slightly since 2016 because enemies of America have been on a hard on war against Americans convincing zombies to attack anyone affiliated or showing support for our elected President or the party he ran with.

But the truth is, violent crime was on the drop in the nineties, and continued to drop even after our rifles were liberated back to us in the early 2000's. In a well managed society, a higher volume of firearms contributes to dropping violent crime rates. Our FBI crime statistics show as much.

On the other hand, the UK's violent crime has continue to increase year after year since heavily restricting the owning of firearms, and continues to do so into today. Open your market to our arms, and your people will become safe again as petty criminals and misguided youth will fear committing violent crimes as freely in the numbers they have continued to do today.

As far as cultures go, it is clear your people are satisfied with being victims at the mercy of petty criminals.

Interesting article here:

Why the UK is not more violent than the US

There is a very marked difference in how violent crime is defined in the UK and the US:


"DEFINING VIOLENT CRIME ==============================
United Kingdom:

“Violent crime contains a wide range of offences, from minor assaults such as pushing and shoving that result in no physical harm through to serious incidents of wounding and murder. Around a half of violent incidents identified by both BCS and police statistics involve no injury to the victim.” (THOSB – CEW, page 17, paragraph 1.)

United States:

“In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force.” (FBI – CUS – Violent Crime)

We can clearly see here there is quite a large difference in how both countries report and assess what qualifies as “violent crime”. The UK’s approach seems to be a lot more encompassing in scope and adds to its definition of “violent crime” offences which are not matched by its US counterpart. This raises the obvious question of whether UK violent crime rates can be said to be higher simply because things considered “violent crime” in the UK are not so in the US. One example is “assault”, all forms of which are considered “violent” in the UK, whereas in the US only “aggravated” is considered violent. A further example revolves around sexual offences, only “forcible” rape featuring in the US definition, while the UK definition includes rape and any and all forms of sexual assault.

Therefore, it becomes practically impossible to draw any objective comparison between the two, unless one trawls through the various definitions of crimes that can be said to be the same in definition and execution in the UK and the US. I’ve actually done this, and by going through the PRC and FBI – CUS it is possible, I believe, to find a number of crimes which I think are fairly indicative of the prevalence of “violence” in either country. To this end, I have isolated robbery, burglary, homicide / murder, knife crime, fatal shootings, rape of a female, grievous bodily harm / aggravated assault and theft of a vehicle in order to give us a fair idea of which country is more “violent.” The relevant definitions and rates for each crime will be presented below in their own sections."

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Mate, we don't want guns back, there is not even any significant movement or public outcry to demand such.

The truth is violent crime is not significantly increasing beyond the city of London.

Victims?

How so, compare the deaths down to shootings that happened in the UK to the US last year.

There are your victims right there.

a reply to: andy06shake

True. There is simply no serious lobby here in the UK for us to carry guns. We don't want them.

Whenever we see on the news about yet another mass shooter on the rampage in the US most of us just shake our heads and mutter "What is wrong with these people"? Or something.

Why do Americans think they have any business trying to tell us how to do things when they are so messed up themselves?

a reply to: oldcarpy

Probably because they think they should Police and advise the rest of the world i suppose.

Something we were not that shy attempting to implement ourselves in centuries gone by if truth be told.

Fact is their nation is a baby compared to the rest, so tantrums and demands are to be expected to be honest.

They will learn in time, after all the world spins, and people eventually come to there senses.

a reply to: andy06shake

They don't have much history of their own, I suppose, but they could try to learn from other countries' histories.

Learning some geography would be a start, too.

a reply to: oldcarpy

We could all try and learn from history mate.

Seems to me that from one generation to the next we simply choose to forget or disregard the past transgressions of our ancestors.

Just the world we live in i suppose, after all we exist in the moment.

Why should our current generation choose to learn from the past? After all they think they know better, they think they know everything. LoL

originally posted by: crayzeed
This is racial diversity in action. the vast majority are African immigrants placed in the cities.

You made that up.

Most of the kids involved so far have been from a third or fourth generation Caribbean immigration background.

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Do you have any evidence for that?

a reply to: worldstarcountry

You do know that unlike the US there is no inherent right to bear arms in the UK?

Using that comparison one could say "why doesn't the US adopt a national health scheme like the Brits - why are you killing your people?"

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese
Naah, it was in the news yesterday. London had a thriving Caribbean community in London, really peaceful. If you've ever been to Notting Hill carnival you'd know what I mean. The Caribbean community openly blames the influx of African immigrants for the troubles.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

We reacted strongly to the Dunblane massacre here which served to tighten gun control even further.

I cannot understand either why the US does not have an equivalent to our NHS. Perhaps an American poster could explain?

a reply to: crayzeed

That is the impression i got, too.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Could there be a class and race war going on in the streets but not being reported as such?

most I've seen photos of are black but there is the odd 'white' face.. and most do not have English names either so it could be just 'class' war, meaning these people from different areas and different ethicities just don't get on. Add drugs to the equation and you get many different gangs of all sorts..

South London (Lambeth, Peckham, Croyden) seems to be quite sh@@hole to live, that's where most of these murders take place... but also north London, Edmonton, Hackney etc..

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
Oh good god Celtic! I've got to teach you again. When standing, said bar stool gets knocked over, step backwards, foot on bar stool and you've got four legs. Not just one equaliser but four.

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

No, not really. Parts of the places you mention have very high property prices.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

No, not really. Parts of the places you mention have very high property prices.

It's high everwhere now so I don't think that's it or we'd see these gang wars everwhere