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What is Behind the Dramatic Rise in Violent Crime in the UK?

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posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:11 AM
I was just reading some articles saying that the UK is having a horrific spike in violent crimes, especially with youth violence. also, the Murder rate in London has already surpassed the murders in 2017. Whats going on guys??? I have an idea, perhaps you should allow your citizens to carry firearms again? You see a group of people would not be afraid to challenge a single man carrying only a knife to defend himself, as that man is outnumbered and can only engage a single attacked while he gets swamped by the rest. If that man had a 17 round capacity pistol, the entire crowd would disperse as that single man could easily eliminate the entire threat and still have rounds leftover for their buddies if they came back for revenge.

Even at the individual level, one on one. When a mugger is faced with a bladed weapon only, they are usually desperate and bold enough to still attack you. But here in the USA, an overwhelming majority of self defense firearms use do not even end up with a discharged or shot person because typically the attacker flees in panicked terror at the poor choices he just made when confronted with a citizen who brandishes his weapon.

Assistant chief constable Jacqueline Sebire said that after more than 20 years in policing, the past year has felt “completely different”.

“This level of violence, this constant torrent of every single day another stabbing, another violent incident that we can’t seem to get ahead of,” she told police chiefs and commissioners gathered at a conference in central London.

“There are children as young as 12 involved in stabbings. We have nine and 10-year-olds carrying knives.”

Ms Sebire, who is the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) lead for serious violence, played footage of two teenagers fighting with machetes at a Luton shopping centre while “people were pushing buggies past and toddlers were just walking around”.

She later told journalists that attackers appeared to be bolder and now commit stabbings and shootings in full view of CCTV and passers-by.

“It can be like the Wild West,” Ms Sebire said. “These attacks are happening in broad daylight, in public spaces, that’s what feels different. There are younger people involved who don’t necessarily appreciate the consequences.”

She added: “We have always had people shooting and stabbing each other but the increases and how sustained it is – it’s not peaks and troughs anymore, it’s just constant.”

Guys, it is time to vote out your leaders who support leaving your citizenry at the behest of criminals and gangsters and vote in those who would restore your rights to defend yourself without having to appeal it in court after the fact.

One thing that caught my attention was this:

Nick Hunt, head of the Home Office’s serious violence unit, said knife possession had risen by a fifth in a year, and knife crime overall by 12 per cent.

“A lot more are carrying weapons in some inner city areas because they’re frightened and they feel insecure.”

Knife crime would fall quite significantly if regular citizens had the opportunity to merely brandish a firearm and send their attackers fleeing. After a few self defense shootings, I imagine that the average thug will have to rethink their life choices as their buddies begin to fall one by one at the hand of a fairly armed citizenry that have grown weary of accepting their forced victim-hood due to state policies and finally have the options to defend themselves with actual force.

As typical, maintain age restrictions for purchases from licensed dealers, and utilize federal resources to backtrack the sources of firearms in illegal possession. The ATF do a pretty decent job of keeping US firearms dealers very honest and cooperative. Except those years where former Attorney General Eric Holder was enabling the sale of firearms to the drug cartels south of our border. We really need to arrest that guy for what he did.

I will just say this when it comes to weapons type. When people pull out bladed and blunt force weapons, the crowd involved typically gets bigger as more react and become part of the melee escalating the level of violence exponentially. When some pulls a firearm and fires, everybody scatters into the wind and flees for their life.

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:12 AM

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:19 AM
Its a valid OP, but to sum it up, its criminals stabbing other criminals, I doubt that the average Joe walking down the street has anything to fear, I know my attitude has not changed regarding the capital (i sometimes have to work there), it does seem to be mainly gang culture, it will never cease and it has always existed from the Mods and rockers to punks, the hubris of youth i guess

Has gang culture risen since the advent of social media (i believe it has) and the further evolution (devolution in my mind) of Rap/drill music which is now blantantly used to provoke further attacks

Is social media really to blame for London's knife crime?

Is UK drill music really behind London's wave of violent crime

Not sure I can agree with wanting to arm anyone though as then we will just end up like the USA, life will have little value than it already has
edit on 13-11-2018 by UpIsNowDown because: typo

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:34 AM
a reply to: UpIsNowDown
ahh yes, young children as young as 9 are all criminals. What about the pregnant mother of five who was just murdered in London? Was she a criminal as well? Crossbow hit her heart a mere inches from the baby that had to be delivered a month early through surgery.

If only her husband was not such a puss, she would probably still be alive. I imagine the policies that force even a homeowner to defend himself in court for utilizing deadly force must be the reason this woman is dead, as he feared he would be in prison for killing the attacker trespassing on his property with a lethal weapon and instead chose to run screaming at his wife to do the same.

If only he had the right to shoot the violent criminal dead while protecting his home and family without having to explain himself to the authorities facing jail time, than just maybe this beautiful woman could still be around to mother her lovely children.

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:37 AM
a reply to: worldstarcountry

I would have thought its just London really where a serious rise in violent crime is on the rise.

Everywhere else in the UK crime is about the same as it always has been.

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posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:39 AM

originally posted by: lakenheath24

Let me fix that for you:

Illegality of drugs. If they were legal, nobody would need to deal with violent idiots trying to make money out of drugs.
This is one of the reasons, the main reason however is not drugs, it's a lot of different things.

- Teenagers with no values or the wrong values [i.e islamic teens or teens from countries where violence is ok if it is for god].

- Too many people from countries suddenly emerging in our [once] lovely Britain, bringing with them their way of thinking. Add to that the pure hatred of white Brits and you'll get groups not conforming to national laws.

- Feckless parents, who also grew up feral. When I say parents I obviously mean single mums, as their dads are out shagging other women, making more feckless babies.

- Nothing that binds us together. It's us versus them even though this is our country and they are the guests. No integration, only no go zones that have successfully been invaded and are lityerally not Britain any longer.

- Too much tolerance. Too much tolerance towards newcomers or minorities but none for natives. NAtives get thrown into jail for the slightest things, minorities have a carte blanche because of "muh culture" [getting off freely after racially hating and beating up natives, they claim that they are not used to alcohol - happened twice so far that made the news, gawd knows how often they get off scott free behind closed doors. But have a little pug lift his arm to HItler and you'll go down!]

I am an Atheist and I am one of these people who has integrity and compassion without needing an invisible threat. However I know how and why religion took off so easily. It gives people without integrity something to fear and they often actually behave.

Let's face it, humans in general are still greedy, feral, idiot monkeys. Those of the human race that have achieved civility to a high degree in their societies are now forced to let it all slip and let the anyone into their countries regardless of their ability to be civilised. The shocker is that instead of teaching them our ways and bring them up to our levels, we have to let them do whatever they like and have to accept their way of living.

And if we try to tech our ways, we are called Nazis or racists [which I really could't care about any longer].

But yeah, that's why violence is rising.

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:40 AM
a reply to: lakenheath24

Which Drugs?

Smack and crack, granted cause chaos, but the rest of them are pretty much socially acceptable these days to a degree.

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:41 AM
a reply to: worldstarcountry

Well, us Brits would just love to live in a country like the US where gun control is such a joke that any old homicidal maniac can go and buy an assault rifle and hose down innocent people.

Actually, no thanks.

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:43 AM
I'm going with overpopulation.
A pregnant mother of five is part of the problem, there. Who has five kids and decides to keep going?

I looked her up- She's from India. I wonder why she moved to London?

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:44 AM
a reply to: andy06shake
If everyone could take acid or D-M-T, nearly everybody would be at peace with each other, and they are not even addicting. Take it once and your spirit and mind will have clarity for months, maybe longer, with no physical urge or desire to seek it again. It even kills your urge to take other addictive substances!

Honestly I think if the UK granted its citizens the right to carry firearms again in public there would be a sudden rash of dead criminals, followed by a significant drop in petty crimes and the rule of thugs over entire chunks of communities.

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:46 AM
a reply to: worldstarcountry

Yeah - like that really worked out well for Syd Barrett, etc, etc.

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posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:51 AM
This is racial diversity in action. the vast majority are African immigrants placed in the cities.
If anybody comes on here after I post this and say" but white people stab people" I'd say grow the f### up and smell the roses. It's all black on black crime.
Now when they come from a place that is normal to carry machetes and knives what makes you think that their attitude will change. The biggest reason they do it is because they can. The police in the UK are getting more and more insular. They only appear after the event, the crims now know this so they can commit crimes in broad daylight (any crimes) without any fear of being caught. Even if the crime is on camera the prosecution rate is virtually zero.
The police stopped patrolling UK streets ages ago except in their cars. They would sooner prosecute the motorists for various offences as they are an easy touch, profitable too, than get out of their cars and walk the beat.
So who can blame them when there would be one or two officers walking and get confronted by a gang of 15 to 20 young men, probably armed and even if the police tried to do something the 2nd gang who the first gang was fighting would join with them to fight the police.
I agree 1. the police want arming and 2. the populace ought to be allowed to carry. But I can see unicorns so that aint gonna happen.

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:52 AM
a reply to: worldstarcountry

The reality is that the UK has always been a very violent place.

Changes in the way violent crimes are recorded have contributed to the increase in numbers.

But obviously that doesn't explain it all.

The truth is there is a glorification of the US style gang culture that has resulted in people from inner city areas of London associating more with the likes of the Bloods and Crips than they do with more traditional UK style gangs.

There are glaring similarities between the two.

The majority of these killings and crimes are in London and the immediate surrounding area.

There is also an opinion that the breakdown of the family unit, lack of discipline in schools and the advent of the PC generated Snowflake has resulted in a particularly feral generation of teenagers who no longer seek to settle differences in the old fashioned fist fight but rather see nothing wrong with stabbing or group assaulting anyone over any perceived threat or insult no matter how trivial.

London should be cut out of the heart of the UK and set adrift as far away from any other land mass as possible and an exclusion zone placed around it.

The UK is not London and London is not representative of the rest of the UK!

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:56 AM
The bottom line is illegality of drugs, as drugs are behind 99% of the youth/gang crime.

However, the austere measures inflicted by the Establishment's party (CONservatives) has added fuel to the fire. Reduction in funding of youth services, reduction in the number of police, high unemployment amongst the young (rise in zero hour contracts), poor education system etc.

Gangs have taken over the streets in certain parts of London and the call for help has gone out, but fallen on deaf ears,

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 11:06 AM
a reply to: worldstarcountry

But the rule of thugs over entire chunks of communities has always been the case.

I dont see thuggery as the main issue really, there will always be a criminal element at play in the UK.

I see austerity and the class divide between the people breed criminality in most walks of life through.

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posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 11:10 AM
a reply to: crayzeed

This is racial diversity in action. the vast majority are African immigrants placed in the cities.

I have some friends in London, the old fashioned Caribbean type Rasta's. Great guys with strong connections in certain areas.

They tell me most of London's problems arise from the relatively recent influx of immigrants from Africa - mainly east Africa but many from Nigeria and other African nations as well - and their children.

Where once there was an interest in West Indian and even African culture these immigrants seem obsessed with the US style gang culture and drill rap.
Its not uncommon for white working class males from the same areas to buy into the same 'culture'.

The drastic cuts placed on our police forces has resulted in a complete disregard for law enforcement.

Politicians should bear some of the responsibility with their social experimenting and drastic austerity cuts enforced more for the pursuit of political ideology rather than the alleged economic necessity.

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 11:12 AM
People are poor....some don't even want to work...they want easy money...they get into selling drugs....turf wars start ad infinitum ad nauseum

Here in the North we had the drugs and prostitution originally run by white gangs then Pakistani, then Jamaican and now the Romanians and Albanians are getting in on the action. Every now and again these gang turf wars spill over but often its just between the usual low lifes and few get to hear about it outside that circle

Its all about the money

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 11:14 AM
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

i don't think its that people don't want to work. I think its that people don't want to spend 10 hours a day doing something they hate for barely enough to pay their most basic bills.

I had terrible work ethic when i worked as a nurses aid in my 20's. I hated my job. It was unfulfilling and hard work for minimum wage.

Now i do work i love and i work from home when im not in the office.

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 11:19 AM
a reply to: andy06shake

Coke mainly...the demand is so strong that suppliers cant keep up, its causing turf wars. I have watched several programs on it, Newsnite, Ross Kemp, among others.

So sure, it's socially acceptable for all the rich white peeps in london, but people that say that refuse to look at what is happening down the supply chain. Kids being used as mules, the 16,000 murders in Mexico this year, and now the violence in London and beyond.

posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 11:21 AM
a reply to: worldstarcountry

Honestly I think if the UK granted its citizens the right to carry firearms again in public there would be a sudden rash of dead criminals, followed by a significant drop in petty crimes and the rule of thugs over entire chunks of communities.

This has absolutely nothing to do with gun controls.

The only thing that would happen in the UK if we relaxed our laws in accordance with the USA would be a mountain of dead bodies in kebab and pizza shops up and down the country in every single town and city at throwing out time.

I'm not criticising US gun laws, just that they are the last thing we in the UK need, especially at present!

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