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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: CriticalStinker
the kapernick thing was even more stupid than this.
for the life of me i cannot figure out why anyone cares.
originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: Xtrozero
Who remembers what the French said about 9/11 ?
Freedom fries. #### France.
France refused to permit the F-111s to fly over its territory so the F-111s had to fly from their bases in England, around continental Europe, to bomb Libya. This required multiple aerial refueling.
It is unclear whether President Chirac understood how his response to President Bush would be perceived, and it is possible he did not mean it as such. With that said, to America, the eve of the Iraq War was a time when we needed our allies. We needed their help, and, as we had helped them in the past, we expected they would help in some way or another. Chirac not only refused to help, he went on to insult and lecture America.
Had Chirac offered token support, financial help, or even logistical support, this would have been seen as honoring and upholding the alliance. Had he simply sent a squad with a jeep, this would have been seen as at least giving us some help. Had he simply refrained from commenting, this would have blown over eventually. His insults, and his refusal to help America when we needed help, destroyed the alliance and made France, for a time, a hated enemy rather than an ally.
Britain and Canada, Poland and Australia and New Zealand, even Kuwait: all helped us when we needed help. We saw this, and we remember who stood beside us in our hour of need. They each were willing to do their part, and as such they are seen as friends of America. What language they spoke is not important: what is vitally important to whether or not they are our allies is that they stood up and lent a hand, in whatever ways they could.
France, instead, choose to take a cheap shot at our back, and earned our intense dislike and mistrust as a nation.
As far as 911...
originally posted by: gernblan
Don't you ever get tired of whining incessantly about your president? And he is your president. And you're going to have him as your president for six more years. Get used to it.
I know I don't have a horse in this particular race....but where exactly is the relevance?
People make claims all the time here on ATS and everywhere else on the internet....I have no more reason to disbelieve this member than I have to disbelieve you, or anyone else.
So as a veteran with a strong sense of patriotism I was wondering what you think of the French and German calls for a "european army" to protect against Russia, China and even the USA?
Do all US vets have to be died-in-the-wool Republicans?
Aren't they allowed to have opposing views?
Are all your vets programmed to think the same and be the same?
Are different opinions discouraged, looked down upon and verboten in The Land of the Free?
originally posted by: Painterz
Except the French trip wasn't cancelled by the Secret Service.
It was too misty to fly in a helicopter, but they could have gone via the motorcade, as Presidents frequently do.
But Trump decided he didn't want to go in the motorcade, so he didn't go.
Thus insulting veterans, the memory of the war dead, the entire French nation, and all of what were once America's closest friends and allies.
But hey, yeah, I await with interest to see how Trump supporters defend their glorious leader on this one.