Civil War 2.0

For the last ten years or so, the concept for me, of a new civil war, has evolved and changed, and has been rewritten, diagnosed and re-evaluated over, and over. I used to think that maybe the government, in its backroom dealings, underground zealots with black suits, or brainwashed followers would be the common enemy of the people. I used to believe that war was like that; it's easy to see who the real bad dudes are, and who plays the part of the Knight. I never considered the truth being so far from that.

We live in a time where every piece of news, no matter how small, or large, is questioned for authenticity. We have been conditioned to not take that as a big deal, to just shrug it off as a sign of the times. "Oh, that goofy CNN making up stuff again" or "Oh man, that MSNBC, blowing things out of proportion." What many fail to realize, is this was a perfected strategy. Since the moment the term "Fake News" was uttered, the media clinged to that term and recoined it as their own. After all, Fake News sounds a lot more benign than propaganda, right?

"If thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought" -Orwell

It boils down to the comment that should have shaken the country to the bone. It should have been understood, completely. But the media has their way of feigning a caring smile for the people they so gratefully serve. The comment was how the "Fake News" media was the enemy of the people. He is completely right by saying that statement, and we all know it. We all understand that true journalism is important. A true look into what's happening, and its diligent reporting to the masses is a much needed tool for a civilization. However, when that tool is misused to sway, and control, it becomes the biggest detriment to that same civilization.

“We become slaves the moment we hand the keys to the definition of reality entirely over to someone else, whether it is a business, an economic theory, a political party, the White House, Newsworld or CNN.” -B.W. Powe

Will we boil over, or boil down?

We're at a point in our country where people are at each other's throats moreso than ever before. People are either engaging in it, or afraid to engage it over possible repercussions, coming in the form of beatings, stabbings, doxxing, job assassination, etc.

Now things are getting even worse, with the situation of the election cycle, immigration, and other issues.

Things just seem to get worse and worse.


There are tons of us who like to think "Its not bad where I'm at, so the notion of war or conflict is so far fetched"

Most conflicts start very small. One event can lead to massive complications. Like a massacre of 5 people in Boston, on March 5, 1770. The assassination of an Arch-Duke on June 28, 1914.

Let me be clear. I do not hope for conflict. I'm not persuading. I only wish for a decent future for all of us.


"At this stage of history, either one of two things is possible: either the general population will take control of its own destiny and will concern itself with community-interests, guided by values of solidarity and sympathy and concern for others; or, alternatively, there will be no destiny for anyone to control." -Noam Chomsky

“The whole purpose of propaganda is to make the obvious seem obscure, or offensive” -Stefan Molyneux


At any rate, Be kind, trust your neighbors and love freely.

a reply to: Iconic

And yet FOX bleats on with its nonsense and the white house actively retweets doctored infowars bs. Lie after lie comes from the white house and yet it's CNN and MSNBCs fault.

You guys like to call out CNN and MSNBC, but when confronted with the facts you are the ones holding the bag and choosing to believe in fake narratives. All because of the cult of personality that has been built to control you.

And here you are still fapping to your internet tough guy fantasies about civil war 2.0.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

a reply to: Iconic

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

I think we live in very interesting times as a country.

We have an American Marxist (Progressive) agenda that has taken a very long time to successfully subvert the media, our educational system and a big part of our economy.

I think without the internet we would have already slid into the third of 6 terms of Obama/Clinton and the country would have been globalized by 2030ish.

This little bit of kickback by actual nationalists and Trump may yet foil their plans.

If not, I have every faith in my countrymen and Veteran brothers and sisters to sort things out after the eventual economic collapse that Progressivism brings.

So win-win for me, because despite the noise from the media and the 25% of our country that wants to remake it, there is still the 75% to deal with.

And they haven't gotten around to the guns yet... not really possible at this point.

SoOo.. just a matter of time, one way or the other.

a reply to: whargoul

Try reading the whole op.

Shame on you.

originally posted by: whargoul
a reply to: Iconic

And yet FOX bleats on with its nonsense and the white house actively retweets doctored infowars bs. Lie after lie comes from the white house and yet it's CNN and MSNBCs fault.

You guys like to call out CNN and MSNBC, but when confronted with the facts you are the ones holding the bag and choosing to believe in fake narratives. All because of the cult of personality that has been built to control you.

And here you are still fapping to your internet tough guy fantasies about civil war 2.0.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I doubt you know what the word ashamed actually means.

I find it fascinating that the left always has to use the "cult of personality" phrase to describe ANYONE WHO DOES NOT THINK LIKE THEY DO.

Speaking of cults...

As for the rest, what the left does best is destroy, what the right does best is build.

So either way your ideology will go away... just a matter of time and how many people your politics kills on the way to oblivion.

So far, your ideals have killed what... 100 million people the last century?

But this time it's going to work out, right?

a reply to: whargoul

At which point did I specify "Liberal" media?

Oh... I didn't?


Must have meant exactly what I said by when I said "Media"


Who would have figured, I meant what I said? Especially in an OP about propaganda destroying us. Huh!

This guy I know, he is quite a character that I would say has a Satanic attitude about things. He is a master manipulator and an atheist with a huge ego to the point of desiring deity status.

He makes the claim that "The truth is irrelevant". I never questioned him about his reasoning to make such a statement. Perhaps he meant that there are no absolute truths, just subjective judgements and assumptions. Maybe he thought that subjective thoughts, feelings and ideas were more important than what was truth, that these things have power and influence and are more useful than objective truths.

In my opinion, whoever wants to go fight in a civil war... go ahead.
The rest of us reasonable people will wait till the dust settles and move forward.

The extremists on both sides can happily eat each other alive and then we can be civil..
Maybe

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

That way of thinking is the result of being detached from the ties that bind.

Objective truths are important, more than anything else. Subjective truths are truths to each other's own perspective. Without a subjective truth, there probably wouldn't be an existence at all, really.

But I digress, because that's dangerously close to a massive drift.

What's more important, is the position of people to take the reigns on how to control subjective truths, to have them overlook or overrule the objective.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
In my opinion, whoever wants to go fight in a civil war... go ahead.
The rest of us reasonable people will wait till the dust settles and move forward.

The extremists on both sides can happily eat each other alive and then we can be civil..
Maybe

I'm sure the moderates in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Ukraine, etc thought the same way. Think they changed their minds?

a reply to: Iconic

Fair enough.
Just hard to imagine it really happening here.

a reply to: whargoul

You believe the propaganda you were fed enough to attack someone else for questioning the propaganda in the first place...

Sounds about right.

Media is two sides same coin and is just not credible - that coin pushes division. That division makes most easy to control.

Most want food, safety and comfort, beyond that is fu fa and fluff. Boiled down the main difference is does one earn first three items or should it be given to you - that's nut of the matter right there.

All arguments left/right, lib/conservative, republican/socialist etc. boil down to that aspect.

The media has 1000's variations to make you think someone else got what was due you and plays on jealousy and egotism ad infinitum.

CW2 will occur when majority figures out how they've been played and in fact won't stop unless they stop it themselves.

You folks on the extremes need to realize basics are not that far apart.

lol, a civil war would be a joke. It would be a Darwinist Civil War.

One side will have picket signs, pink hats, and scream in the air
the other side
will have guns.

The only reason their isn't real political blood at this time, is because the republicans are sane. There are a lot of people, mainly, on the right, who have been through wars, walked the beat as cops, and know what is is like to be in a life or death struggle. The other side, needs safe spaces because someone wrote "Trump" in chalk on a sidewalk and they feel their life is threatened. It would be not be a civil war, it will be a massacre.

It will be the one day civil war, with millions of dead, but on the flip side, those dying will not die in vein. the carbon foot print of america will be smaller.

a reply to: SocratesJohnson

The biggest thing you can do wrong in the face of an enemy, is to underestimate that enemy.

We have seen time and time again what the left side of the field is willing to do, in terms of the shootings that have already happened.

So in my head, that's about as idiot a statement as you can believe. Everyone dies the same. Most people fight the same. Especially when the fighting is done by tools like firearms.

a reply to: whargoul

If you're going to troll, at least try to be exceptional at it, you are mediocre at best.

originally posted by: SituationNAFU
a reply to: whargoul

If you're going to troll, at least try to be exceptional at it, you are mediocre at best.

-john cena theme-

My biggest problem with republicans/conservatives boils down to this...

Joe Rogan actually said it best recently.

"If you dont care about other people, we dont want you on the team man.."

I feel like this is the biggest sticking point between the left and the right.

The right wants individual state liberties, less government, they want to do there own thing and have their successes and failures be solely dependent on themselves with no bearing being taken on the social environment.

Why? Because the majority of the right lives in rural areas, where they arent as close to other people, and dont have to live with eachother. They have their own land where they can keep to themselves and do what they want. They dont have to worry about everyone else.

The majority of people however, live in cities, where our lives are all closely intertwined. our neighbors are feet from us...

and like it or not, the humuan population grows exponentially, that will be everyones future, like it or not..

Its not about the individual, its not about YOU. What is the point of having a country or government if everyone is just independent? Honestly..

The premise of the left is.. we all work TOGETHER.. CLOSELY.. to achieve GREATER THINGS... and not let any of the group fall behind!

Its a simple 2 heads are greater than one concept.

If every dollar spent on a bullet or bomb by our government, instead went to a rivet in a new spaceship, or paid a doctor to take care of our citizens, or went towards technology for energy, or went towards schools and education.. we would be unstoppable... because we would all be paying into the pot of a better society..

not lowering taxes so we can find ways to become independently wealthy.

We should be working together to increase the standard of living for all!

We shouldnt just be thinking of ourselves... we shouldnt see ourselves as ONLY individuals (which we are) but as Americans and humanity as a whole.

Unitl we realize that, we are in trouble.

The sooner people get this left/right crap out of their heads and realize that both "sides" are in fact just authoritarians playing at partisan shenanigans the better. Let me put that more succinctly for everyone: THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE BOTH YOUR ENEMIES. Just because one side gives you some things you want or you agree with on an issue or two does not change the fact that their entire purpose is to gain power and control over the country and the people by whatever means necessary. We are miles from real fighting for one simple reason: we aren't hungry yet. We have food in the fridge, TV and Internet is on and the lights still work when we hit the switch. These comforts make it hard to justify getting up at 3am to go run an ambush on a supply convoy or carry out a raid to take out a leader while they are sleeping. As long as its easier to remain within prisons of comfort we shall do so

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

A bunch of old farts in an age when you wrote with plucked feathers understood it, but in 2018 when we have unlimited information at our finger tips and people just don't grasp it. Of course that is not to say that things couldn't change, if we cultivate enough distrust for our government (and we absolutely should distrust a government that brokers deals behind closed doors and has courts with no oversight) that it might come to violence. But until we have no more creature comforts, until we want for things we simply cannot have within the current system we will remain placated and docile.

YEah the founding fathers would disagree with you. it is about a individuals rights. It is also about others who share those ideas.