President Make Up Crap threatens to pull Federal Funding from California Wildfires

True dat. It’s like a death cult of mental defectives. a reply to: hoss53

originally posted by: theantediluvian

That's ironic. You're blaming "liberal policies" for the occurrence of natural disasters and you imagine you're the mistress of understanding cause and effect. I wonder if that's because so many binary thinkers, incapable of considering complex issues, gravitate to the party of false dilemma?

We have this renewable resource in America called trees, and for some reason places like CA and OR do not want to cut them down, not even to create fire breaks. They see logging roads as harmful to the ecology and so growth builds up and fires are much hotter than what they could be while having no man made or natural breaks and turn into what we have been seeing.

The President is right, he is also not stopping funding so no reason to get your panties in a wad.

originally posted by: subfab

"Welcome to America where out President just makes up crap and his supporters believe all the crap he makes up. "

not just the president. politicians on both sides do this. and a large number of followers on both sides soak this nonsense up.

What was it he made up?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: BlackJackal

I'll say this about that. Trump may well have been right in his assertion that mismanagement is to blame. This is definitely NOT the time to make that kind of remark. It's rude and slaps the face of those who are risking their lives to save homes and people.

I do know that around here, Ft. Bragg does controlled burns on a regular basis to prevent things like this.

this is EXACTLY what I wanted to point out...Trump had a golden opportunity to bring the sides together and he squandered it...he just HAD to say that...tell me HOW is this bringing the country together??????he could have at least waited to say this AFTER the fire is out......many people dead and displaced many homes burned down and how much extra stress on them because he said that....

I read that alyssa milano (democrat) and her very conservative neighter the actor mr woods came together and he saved her horses from the fire and she was very grateful to him....

this was NOT the time to say that and what kind of example is THAT for the country ??????? this needs to be sorted out after the fires are out

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: walkinghomer


Sparky?

I have fiends in that fire. They've lost everything.


Blaming Trump for it is weak as hell.

That's my point!!! Flaming the fire again. Pitting Left against the right. Nowhere did I say it was President Trump's fault. I said it was not the right time to be blaming anyone. Let people heal first. Instead of addressing my statement directly, you went into your typical DBcowboy rant and pit left vs right..I know the toxic divide on this site is not your fault but you're just adding fuel to the fire. I feel like waving my "Make ATS great again" flag...

How about this scenario

Trump knows the climate is getting dryer - these leaders dont live in a bubble - they have advisers and think tanks that project future costs, risks, and are able to advise the politician.

Its also called Town Planning

Now knowing that controlled burns aren't going to ever come close to help protect the environment -he's setting up the perfect scenario where as the fires get worse over the next 2 years he'll say " I told you so but California didn't listen to us"

He's trolled you all and will be in a better position in 2 years coming up for the Elections.

Its a win-win for him.

LOL - you were all Trumped Trolled




www.vox.com...

But the growing massive, destructive, and deadly conflagrations we’re seeing now are hardly a force of nature at this point. At almost every step, human activity has exacerbated the risks, the damages, and the harms from fires. These risks are continuing to mount, which means the future holds more dangerous, frequent, and costly blazes for vast swaths of the United States.

Fires are more damaging because we keep building in harm’s way

The California fires stretch the definition of “natural disaster” because deliberate decisions and unintended consequences of urban development over decades have turned many parts of the state into a tinderbox.

a reply to: JinMI

Another "wedge politics" item. The US is heading into dangerous waters.

Cali is technically insolvent. They'll do a "Greece Bankers bailout" The Bankers will cherry pick the cool assets and the residents of Cali will be screwed again.

Maybe Trump will even sell California to the Saudis or Russia?

LOL - Trump - the ultimate wolf in sheep's (globalists) clothing

originally posted by: research100


this is EXACTLY what I wanted to point out...Trump had a golden opportunity to bring the sides together and he squandered it...he just HAD to say that...tell me HOW is this bringing the country together??????

Bring the country together how? It been apart much longer than Trump has been in office. There is nothing that Trump can do, and no matter what he does the left will complain.

Seems the mismanagement of our forests is the least issue here and it is what is causing these problems...

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Cali is technically insolvent.

Yeah. Sort of.
So is the US Government. Sort of.

a reply to: Willtell

Did your faux outrage call out the Clinton Foundation with their dirty dealings down in Haiti?



LOL

And this so-called president is busy not supporting them in these dire times but criticizing them.

Why lie? He's attacking management not the victims. But you always want to go the extra mile.

Now about that missing CF foundation money that never made it to Haiti?

Or arent Haitians human?

a reply to: Willtell

So when is a good time for someone to call out the canary in the coalmine?

Do you pause for a minute and see even through you balled your eyes out that perhaps others are to blame and should be held to account?

a reply to: Willtell

shouldn’t be exposed to political wrangling at this time.

But didnt Obama legalize propaganda - LOL

Do you really believe when a politician or bureaucrat states to the MSM " our heart goes out to the people in their time of grief " it comes from the heart?

How can any one ensconced in an ivory tower protecting their turf actually have much emotion for somethning happening 100's of miles away?

Be serious here.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I found this article about controlled burn in calif......www.kqed.org...


first back in May Gov brown put in an executive order in which they will do 3 times as many controlled burns..... they interviewed this lady whose job is the controlled burns...there is a lot more to this than I realized...

1.environmental review
2. the right weather
3. the right humidity
4. the right air quality
5. the right wind speed
6. how much moisture in the ground
7. chopping vegetation in preparation
8. available man power

if air quality is really bad they don't want to make it worse...Now sometimes everything lines up...but they lose the manpower because a wild fire happened and they take priority.

state and regional air boards have been working to give them a little more leeway for these controlled burns..

it is a good and accurate article, no matter what side you are on.......like I said Trump squandered this opportunity.....these people have lost loved ones..homes...he didn't need to add to their stress by being divisive...there is a time and place and THIS was NOT it......

a reply to: Phage

Thats a pretty science'y response from you.

When newcomers give such "high information" responses on ATS its usually called out.

Whats your excuse? Anything to add other than TDS?

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight
My response had nothing to do with Trump and it was a simple statement of fact.


If you are declaring California "technically insolvent", so is the US Government. California has not fully funded its retirement system. Neither has the US Government.

originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: BlackJackal
In a tweet earlier today Trump had this to say:

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!

Trumps Twitter

Trump’s claim that the wildfires are due to forest mismanagement has been rebuffed by multiple firefighting organizations.

The presidents of two professional firefighters associations have denounced President Donald Trump's assertion that "gross mismanagement of the forests" is to blame.

Additionally this isn’t the first time that Trump has made up fraudulent reasons for the wildfires in California. Earlier he blamed the fires on bad environmental laws without ever pointing out what those laws were and that water was being diverted to the ocean. There has never been any proof of either of those claims by Trump.

Welcome to America where out President just makes up crap and his supporters believe all the crap he makes up.

Link

Having come from there I can tell you he is entirely correct.

When you can't even partially clear, much less log a forest, all it does is add more and more and more fuel until something catches it on fire.

Even worse when you are not allowed to step foot on it because we need to save the ghastly flatulent slug, or whatever the eco-terrorists are planning to save that year.

Lots of California firefighters and a couple State Fire Marshalls in my family... they all say the same.

My own grandfather used to say that they need to plant the tree huggers in a seat and show them film of deer running out of a forest fire... on fire.

Maybe then they will get a clue.

Not possible in your case because Trump BAD RRhheeee....

But for thinking people on ATS it's a no-brainer.

The Native Americans in the area used to do their own controlled burns.

Why can't an "eco-friendly" population figure it out?

The idiot environazis in British Columbia Canada have caused the same issues up here.

Like literally the exact same crap for the exact same reasons. Restrictive logging rules etc etc etc.

These morons and windowlickers just can't get it through their idiot skulls that not clearing out old growth wood will lead to massive fires.

Just like BC has had 3 straight years now. Millions of hectares burnt. Millions of animals burnt alive. Entire ecosystems destroyed because a bunch of socialist a-holes that think a Saturday walk among some trees in a Vancouver Park makes them an outdoorsman.

Its absolute lunacy.

This a billion times.

We can see easily that the more liberal left whacko nutjob things go...the worse off we all are across the board.

Literally everything they do lowers the lifestyle for us all..and they love it.

a reply to: BlackJackal

Oh you know trump is an authority on everything.
I guess he didnt think to see what these guys actually do.

a reply to: research100

Look I get it - we lived in the hills in W.A. - now in the foothills.

Approaching a dry hot summer we know what potential lies ahead over the next 5 months. We are aware how political it gets. Some coastal lowlander complains that she'll have to do her washing again because of the smoke on her clothes.

After next election cycle they appoint a non-scientist as head of DFES


All those variables that you quoted have to be taken into account.

Prescribed burning debate rages as Australia finds there's no time to burn going into peak fire season

www.abc.net.au...

He may have squandered an opportunity but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesnt say something.

the tweet possibly not the best wording but you cant hide the fact that more needs to be done. Should he have kept his mouth shut - then he'd be called even worse.

twitter.com...

In one of the links I browsed it stated that fire management has been grossly mismanaged in the US since the early 1900s!

Our firefighters often travel to the US to help out due to their experience. Some of us do get it.

I also dont stop and think for a moment that Trump may have fired a shot across the bows of Democrats in retaliation for losing seats to the Dems - or he's setting them up to hammer them going forward.

So

Much

Hate.






The simple fact is that California has mismanaged their forests. California is "new land"... as in land that has not yet become ecologically balanced. That's why they still have earthquakes so often. Life is just beginning there on the geologic time frame.

That means only certain species of flora will survive there. Most of these have adapted to live in areas where there are frequent burns. The trees and brush will return after each fire, reproduce, and then repeat the cycle. It's similar to the "blooming desert" in the Southwest. The flora there will simply lie dormant, many times for years upon years, waiting for that one wet season when they quickly sprout, bloom, reproduce, and then die off again for lack of water in a desert.

In California, the growth is rapid to allow the flora to grow to reproduction stature before another fire destroys them. Such a forest, when wildfires are not allowed to burn out naturally, will tend to produce too much growth, making the next wildfire more devastating. The proper procedure is to either allow wildfires to burn uncontrolled for the most part, or to take the place of the wildfires by clearing and harvesting the growth as it grows. Of course, the first option is pretty much unworkable in an area where the population has created these artificial tinderboxes we call "houses," so the second option is all that is really left.

There are massive amounts of lumber that California could harvest from the forests, which would actually help the forests by encouraging new growth and decreasing the devastation of wildfires. But California doesn't want to do that. To do so means cutting down those beautiful trees!

It reminds me of the people who want stop deer hunting here. All their plan would do is cause the deer population to overgraze, resulting in crop failure on a massive scale and the deer population to become sick and die off in agony.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Phage

You said this

Yeah. Sort of. So is the US Government. Sort of

Fair enough - whataboutism - where would you like to travel next?