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originally posted by: theantediluvian
That's ironic. You're blaming "liberal policies" for the occurrence of natural disasters and you imagine you're the mistress of understanding cause and effect. I wonder if that's because so many binary thinkers, incapable of considering complex issues, gravitate to the party of false dilemma?
originally posted by: subfab
"Welcome to America where out President just makes up crap and his supporters believe all the crap he makes up. "
not just the president. politicians on both sides do this. and a large number of followers on both sides soak this nonsense up.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: BlackJackal
I'll say this about that. Trump may well have been right in his assertion that mismanagement is to blame. This is definitely NOT the time to make that kind of remark. It's rude and slaps the face of those who are risking their lives to save homes and people.
I do know that around here, Ft. Bragg does controlled burns on a regular basis to prevent things like this.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: walkinghomer
I have fiends in that fire. They've lost everything.
Blaming Trump for it is weak as hell.
But the growing massive, destructive, and deadly conflagrations we’re seeing now are hardly a force of nature at this point. At almost every step, human activity has exacerbated the risks, the damages, and the harms from fires. These risks are continuing to mount, which means the future holds more dangerous, frequent, and costly blazes for vast swaths of the United States.
Fires are more damaging because we keep building in harm’s way
The California fires stretch the definition of “natural disaster” because deliberate decisions and unintended consequences of urban development over decades have turned many parts of the state into a tinderbox.
originally posted by: research100
this is EXACTLY what I wanted to point out...Trump had a golden opportunity to bring the sides together and he squandered it...he just HAD to say that...tell me HOW is this bringing the country together??????
And this so-called president is busy not supporting them in these dire times but criticizing them.
shouldn’t be exposed to political wrangling at this time.
originally posted by: Carcharadon
The idiot environazis in British Columbia Canada have caused the same issues up here.
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: BlackJackal
In a tweet earlier today Trump had this to say:
There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!
Trump’s claim that the wildfires are due to forest mismanagement has been rebuffed by multiple firefighting organizations.
The presidents of two professional firefighters associations have denounced President Donald Trump's assertion that "gross mismanagement of the forests" is to blame.
Additionally this isn’t the first time that Trump has made up fraudulent reasons for the wildfires in California. Earlier he blamed the fires on bad environmental laws without ever pointing out what those laws were and that water was being diverted to the ocean. There has never been any proof of either of those claims by Trump.
Welcome to America where out President just makes up crap and his supporters believe all the crap he makes up.
Having come from there I can tell you he is entirely correct.
When you can't even partially clear, much less log a forest, all it does is add more and more and more fuel until something catches it on fire.
Even worse when you are not allowed to step foot on it because we need to save the ghastly flatulent slug, or whatever the eco-terrorists are planning to save that year.
Lots of California firefighters and a couple State Fire Marshalls in my family... they all say the same.
My own grandfather used to say that they need to plant the tree huggers in a seat and show them film of deer running out of a forest fire... on fire.
Maybe then they will get a clue.
Not possible in your case because Trump BAD RRhheeee....
But for thinking people on ATS it's a no-brainer.
The Native Americans in the area used to do their own controlled burns.
Why can't an "eco-friendly" population figure it out?
Like literally the exact same crap for the exact same reasons. Restrictive logging rules etc etc etc.
These morons and windowlickers just can't get it through their idiot skulls that not clearing out old growth wood will lead to massive fires.
Just like BC has had 3 straight years now. Millions of hectares burnt. Millions of animals burnt alive. Entire ecosystems destroyed because a bunch of socialist a-holes that think a Saturday walk among some trees in a Vancouver Park makes them an outdoorsman.
Its absolute lunacy.
Prescribed burning debate rages as Australia finds there's no time to burn going into peak fire season