President Make Up Crap threatens to pull Federal Funding from California Wildfires

a reply to: Annee
Cali lived in a Fire Ecologic environment successfully for nearly 500 years. Then their housewives messed everything up by outlawing the yearly burns of all those cattle pastures to stop the harmless ashes from mucking up their clotheslines. Hello! Annee.

originally posted by: carpooler
a reply to: Annee
Cali lived in a Fire Ecologic environment successfully for nearly 500 years. Then their housewives messed everything up by outlawing the yearly burns of all those cattle pastures to stop the harmless ashes from mucking up their clotheslines. Hello! Annee.

Oh yeah, once a year women couldn't alter their washing habits.

Maybe the men should have cleaned out the barns so the women could hang their laundry indoors.

Damn you Democrats and Damn you Republicans! Yeah I said it - both of you are responsible for this. Your endless bickering and cowering and shifting and deceiving and NOT taking action brings us to this point.

No one can prevent a wild fire but we can decide how big they will be - yet both parties choose to ignore this and rather make this a political issue.

Damn you both - red and blue! Time for a new color!

originally posted by: flyandi
Damn you Democrats and Damn you Republicans! Yeah I said it - both of you are responsible for this. Your endless bickering and cowering and shifting and deceiving and NOT taking action brings us to this point.

No one can prevent a wild fire but we can decide how big they will be - yet both parties choose to ignore this and rather make this a political issue.

Damn you both - red and blue! Time for a new color!

YEP!

Pulling funding from forest management is a good place to start.

a reply to: Annee

Cleaning up the trash (undergrowth and old growth) is another good place to start.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Annee

Cleaning up the trash (undergrowth and old growth) is another good place to start.

TheRedneck

I'm from the area or at least close by.

Some areas do have ordinances pertaining to keeping dry brush away from structures.

My brother and other volunteers helped cut a fire line in Big Bear.

But, nothing's gonna stop a raging fire.

a reply to: Annee

Just keeping dry brush away form structures won't cut it. The problem is that once enough dry brush form other locations catches on fire, the intense heat causes the fire to be capable of leaping over small areas with no brush.

The only way to stop the massive fires is to remove the brush and old growth everywhere. As in logging areas which have old growth, which incidentally would lower lumber prices and pay for itself in the process.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Annee

Just keeping dry brush away form structures won't cut it. The problem is that once enough dry brush form other locations catches on fire, the intense heat causes the fire to be capable of leaping over small areas with no brush.

The only way to stop the massive fires is to remove the brush and old growth everywhere. As in logging areas which have old growth, which incidentally would lower lumber prices and pay for itself in the process.

TheRedneck

I am fully aware of that.

Funding.

Well moonbeam is blaming climate deniers. He is not blaming climate change, he is actually blaming the deniers for the fires.

originally posted by: Gothmog
Maybe they should stop diverting the funds to make illegals happy and use them for their intended purposes.
Just my thought...

Or tax cuts for the 1% of the 1%

a reply to: Annee

How is funding an issue in logging old growth? People will pay you for the privilege of logging it. It won't cost money; it'll make money!

Wood has value.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Annee

How is funding an issue in logging old growth? People will pay you for the privilege of logging it. It won't cost money; it'll make money!

Wood has value.

TheRedneck

Maybe in your neck of the woods.

Not gonna happen in CA without permits, insurance, environmental approval, signnoff from property owner (if you can find out exactly who owns what), etc etc etc.

a reply to: BlackJackal



California's Fire Chief agrees with President Trump. He also blames "Mismanaged Forests" for so many large fires.

ARTICLE: www.courthousenews.com...

Trump ..........


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

I just approved an expedited request for a Major Disaster Declaration for the State of California. Wanted to respond quickly in order to alleviate some of the incredible suffering going on. I am with you all the way. God Bless all of the victims and families affected.
7:19 PM - 12 Nov 2018

a reply to: carewemust


Your source:

Pimlott said climate change and decades of poorly managed forests are causing longer fire seasons that stress resources and require new tools and methods to counteract.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Annee

How is funding an issue in logging old growth? People will pay you for the privilege of logging it. It won't cost money; it'll make money!

Wood has value.

TheRedneck

Maybe in your neck of the woods.

Not gonna happen in CA without permits, insurance, environmental approval, signnoff from property owner (if you can find out exactly who owns what), etc etc etc.

So, what you are saying is that due to the wild over regulation and massive process involved in actually doing something, it helped set the stage for this disaster. Glad to see you agree we need to reduce the regulatory controls in order to allow the work to progress and not be so costly to actually make it possible.

This is one of the things our president promised to do when elected. He has started this already, and now seems to have an incentive to carry it over to this area next....to prevent another instance of this type of deadly disaster in the future.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Apparently federal lands are a significant part of the problem.

The largest blaze in state history, the 410,200-acre Ranch Fire, this past summer burned on large swaths of land managed by the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management in Mendocino and nearby counties north of San Francisco.

In fact, six of California's 16 most destructive wildfires in the past 25 years — in terms of structures destroyed — occurred on federal lands, according to Cal Fire records.

In Shasta County, last summer's 229,650-acre Carr Fire started on National Park Service lands before spreading to private property and eventually into the city of Redding.

www.redding.com...

But it's more fun to blame California. Right? Threaten their funding. Right?

Hell, the caravan didn't work. Try something else.

a reply to: Krakatoa

I've always been Pro-Preventative of anything.

I don't like waste.

What's that saying? “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”

Trump is a moron. Don't waste your time trying to glorify him to me.

Again the vast ignorance of trump, as vast as the size of the forest, is demonstrated by this tweet. Condemned by experts and onsite specialists combating this tragedy.


www.independent.co.uk...

The president has been attacked by his opponents both for politicising a natural disaster and for refusing to engage with overwhelming scientific evidence that climate change is to blame for the extent of the devastation, not mismanagement.
The Pasadena Fire Association meanwhile tweeted: “Mr. President, with all due respect, you are wrong. The fires in So. Cal are urban interface fires and have NOTHING to do with forest management. Come to SoCal and learn the facts & help the victims.”
Speaking for the emergency services personnel on the ground, the president of the California Professional Firefighters union commented: “Wildfires are sparked and spread not only in forested areas but in populated areas and open fields fuelled by parched vegetation, high winds, low humidity and geography.
“Moreover, nearly 60 per cent of California forests are under federal management, and another two-thirds under private control. It is the federal government that has chosen to divert resources away from forest management, not California,” Brian K Rice said.
Mr Rice further branded Mr Trump’s assertion “ill-timed, ill-informed and demeaning to those who are suffering” as well as “dangerously wrong”.

Trump embarrassed the country while he was overseas, and its great the president of France highlighted his abysmal ignorance denouncing his dangerous nationalism, also has again demonstrated his noxious nature by castigating people in dire need of support in California.

a reply to: Annee

*sigh*

Annee... THAT'S THE POINT!

TheRedneck