I can't imagine not having a national health service funded by taxes.

a reply to: jacobe001

Uh, prior to Barack Obama and his attempt at socialized healthcare there was NO mandate whatsoever forcing any American to buy health insurance. A large number of Americans paid for services out of pocket, and had decent deals offered to them from providers for doing so.. since the Obamacare fiasco, we were federally ordered to buy insurance and good luck finding any provider that takes direct payments anymore, the law's regulations made it almost illegal for them to do so.

Simple fact here, taking steps towards the pile of crap you're championing hosed us raw. Why in the blue hell would anyone not living their life off the teat of the taxpayers want us to go any further down that road of idiotic pipe dreams and federal overreach?

Do you think doctors in the USA would still be prescribing OXY and Fentanyl if they weren't getting kickbacks off the pharma companies?

You would find it very hard indeed to get enough stuff like that through the NHS to leave you with the sorts of problems I have seen on telly about the opioid epidemic sweeping the US

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Socialism is anathema to freedom and liberty, that should not be on the table.

Explain something to me, why should those members of society who have taken full personal responsibility for themselves also be demanded to take responsibility for those who reject responsibility for themselves? Name me one single ecosystem in the history of the world where restricting the strong to support the weak has lead to a more sustainable, stronger collective of organisms. You can't because man is the only animal that allows himself to be handcuffed against nature like that.

One word...empathy. If you don't possess that quality then I can't explain squat that you'll understand.

a reply to: burdman30ott6
I haven't said the US should have tax funded healthcare, you do what you like, not my nation.
I've just celebrated the system we have here and said I can't imagine living in a country that doesn't.

...it's not my fault that the only developed nation which doesn't treat all its citizens funded by tax is the US. Doesn't bother me either, I'm a UK citizen.
I'm allowed an opinion though same as you have shared your opinion about the system in my country, the entire EU, Canada, Australia, NZ, heck even Ghana which offers tax funded healthcare lol

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Socialism is anathema to freedom and liberty, that should not be on the table.

Explain something to me, why should those members of society who have taken full personal responsibility for themselves also be demanded to take responsibility for those who reject responsibility for themselves? Name me one single ecosystem in the history of the world where restricting the strong to support the weak has lead to a more sustainable, stronger collective of organisms. You can't because man is the only animal that allows himself to be handcuffed against nature like that.

One word...empathy. If you don't possess that quality then I can't explain squat that you'll understand.

Yes, the I'm okay jack, you can die if you can't afford treatment attitude frankly shocks me.
It shocks the overwhelming majority of the developed world.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: burdman30ott6
I haven't said the US should have tax funded healthcare, you do what you like, not my nation.
I've just celebrated the system we have here and said I can't imagine living in a country that doesn't.

...it's not my fault that the only developed nation which doesn't treat all its citizens funded by tax is the US. Doesn't bother me either, I'm a UK citizen.
I'm allowed an opinion though same as you have shared your opinion about the system in my country, the entire EU, Canada, Australia, NZ, heck even Ghana which offers tax funded healthcare lol

It could work over here in the USA, but only if there wasn't so many corrupted and greedy people exploiting what Obama did with his great deception of "Obamacare" which by the way is like an undead abortion over here, because of his corruption, which he spread like a plague to everything he touched..

When all the companies got the word that obamacare passed, they jacked up prices on everything. Why?? Because government was forcing it to be paid for by the tax payers and they remembered the bank bailouts.

It can't work here. It will never work here unless everyone within the industry becomes moral and honest and conducts themselves with integrity. And the likelihood of that happening is zero chance in 10 billion. Maybe after the next deluge

I can't imagine not having a national health service funded by taxes.

Well, it is all about perspective. In this case it works for you. Like yourself, I too, have paid income tax and national insurance (NI) contributions since starting work at the age of 16 (I'm 59 in March 2019). Out of all those years, I have had five bouts of unemployment, covering approximately 5 years total, 3 of which were due to 3 separate instances of redundancy.

I have hardly ever used the NHS, in fact, I cannot remember the last time I did use it for myself. I still paid the NI, and I know it is there for me when the day comes that I do need it. So, to a degree, we both have a positive perspective towards the NHS, however, take a look at the following...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

They are toying with the plan where you and I and many others are to be taxed (again!) simply because of our age, even though we have already paid our contributions for 30 plus years, it's to be a second mandatory contribution to allegedly pay for our 'old-age' care, but many will not need it, especially those who are more wealthier than your average citizen.

Considering the corrupt state of our country (it needs to be corrupt to keep pace with all the other corrupt countries it trades and deals with), can we say with confidence and trust that the extra money will be used for such old-age after care? Especially so, when after-care in Britain is expensive and total #!

Then I’m guessing you are appalled the tRump couldn’t be bothered to honor those who paid in blood yesterday, right. Lol. Who am I kidding. Trolls don’t care what he does. a reply to: JBurns

a reply to: burdman30ott6

You know it’s funny. Those were the same arguments against Obamacare. Now that people see what it actually does, even the Republicans like it. Hell, tons of Republican candidates actually had ads saying they supported at least portions of it even after they tried to repeal it.

Single payer is the future, it may take another decade, but it’s coming.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: JBurns
We have private healthcare as well, my ex wife has it and has been treated a few weeks quicker as a result.
Nobody stops us funding ourselves, and the 'murdered children' you mentioned were under the care of NHS doctors, treatment was futile according to all doctors except the ones offering the 'treatment' to an already brain damaged child.
If the parents had taken out their own private healthcare they would have got the treatment because they would not have been in the NHS system with NHS doctors making the decision...and of course the private doctors would have allowed it because there would have been an earner for them.

Don't believe everything in places like the Daily Mail or whatever, no offence intended, but that story was spun like # by US media.

Help me. The story was spun like #, yet you just described the spin.

One couple raised the money, but NHS wouldn't release the child. That's not freedom.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Life in the US is pretty harsh. Its all about the money.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

In both the cases the medical teams involved made decision based on the best interest of children involved as they are legally and morally obliged to do.

As the parents disagreed it went via the courts, including numerous appeals. That is the only correct way for such tragic circumstances to be resolved.

The frankly disgusting attempts to politicize it by sections of the media and online idiots doesn't chance the facts of these cases.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: jacobe001

Uh, prior to Barack Obama and his attempt at socialized healthcare there was NO mandate whatsoever forcing any American to buy health insurance. A large number of Americans paid for services out of pocket, and had decent deals offered to them from providers for doing so.. since the Obamacare fiasco, we were federally ordered to buy insurance and good luck finding any provider that takes direct payments anymore, the law's regulations made it almost illegal for them to do so.

Simple fact here, taking steps towards the pile of crap you're championing hosed us raw. Why in the blue hell would anyone not living their life off the teat of the taxpayers want us to go any further down that road of idiotic pipe dreams and federal overreach?

Prior to Obamacare, it was still just as expensive and the number of insurance and pharma lobbyists was still just as high.

Obamacare was gift to corporate fascists because unlike in capitalism the government was not allowed to negotiate prices and they basically have an open wallet to charge what they want.

The problem is not the government but deep pocket corporations and lobbyists that infest our government. They do not want to leave and want to keep meddling in our government.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Do you think doctors in the USA would still be prescribing OXY and Fentanyl if they weren't getting kickbacks off the pharma companies?

You would find it very hard indeed to get enough stuff like that through the NHS to leave you with the sorts of problems I have seen on telly about the opioid epidemic sweeping the US

A have distant relation that is a Pharma Salesmen.
He is worth millions of dollars.
He bribes doctors with free tickets and other various gifts to use his meds.
This is exactly the problem.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: burdman30ott6
I haven't said the US should have tax funded healthcare, you do what you like, not my nation.
I've just celebrated the system we have here and said I can't imagine living in a country that doesn't.

...it's not my fault that the only developed nation which doesn't treat all its citizens funded by tax is the US. Doesn't bother me either, I'm a UK citizen.
I'm allowed an opinion though same as you have shared your opinion about the system in my country, the entire EU, Canada, Australia, NZ, heck even Ghana which offers tax funded healthcare lol

It could work over here in the USA, but only if there wasn't so many corrupted and greedy people exploiting what Obama did with his great deception of "Obamacare" which by the way is like an undead abortion over here, because of his corruption, which he spread like a plague to everything he touched..

When all the companies got the word that obamacare passed, they jacked up prices on everything. Why?? Because government was forcing it to be paid for by the tax payers and they remembered the bank bailouts.

It can't work here. It will never work here unless everyone within the industry becomes moral and honest and conducts themselves with integrity. And the likelihood of that happening is zero chance in 10 billion. Maybe after the next deluge

It will not work until we throw lobbyists out of DC, end the revolving door, and kick out the politicians on the take.

In capitalism, you are allowed to negotiate prices but the corporate fascists that run DC wanted an open wallet.

It is the same reason we spend 500 bucks for a hammer in the military, they are all on the take and need to be thrown out of DC.

The USA where profit, self-interest and the sanctity of The Constitution are everything and things like compassion, consideration and empathy are deemed undesirable.

Sad....

a reply to: Freeborn
I'd move to Canada before the US in a heartbeat, or NZ and Australia, or any nation in the EU.
The wish to deny everyone tax funded healthcare seems barbaric to me, but if that is what US citizens want then good luck to them, it's their nation.
I'm just happy celebrating what we have in the UK, no worries about health bills, but able to take out insurance if we wish, win win.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Freeborn
I'd move to Canada before the US in a heartbeat, or NZ and Australia, or any nation in the EU.

If only for the beer (medicinal purposes only, eh?)

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Life in the US is pretty harsh. Its all about the money.

Yep, always follow the money.
Obamacare was a gift to corporate fascists while punishing everyone else.

The major beneficiaries was the finance sector and upper management.
If we demanded prices be negotiated, you would see obamacare end over night.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Haha yes, and your maple syup, and that filthy as # looking food poutine!!!
I so wanna try that one day, pity there are no Canadian restaurants in Britain as far as I know...just searched it, one a few hours drive away, they sell poutine! I see a train trip coming up.
www.moosekitchen.co.uk...