Proud Boys being removed from Facebook.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: seeker1963

If we don't have that we end up with violence!

Speaking of violence...do you think anyone is watching ATS to see who the violent malcontents are?

I do...!!

Enlighten me!

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: seeker1963

If we don't have that we end up with violence!

Speaking of violence...do you think anyone is watching ATS to see who the violent malcontents are?

I do...!!

Enlighten me!

If Law enforcement monitors gangbanger's social media exchanges even in small towns...what do you think they do here?

Perhaps a little more upper level than the county Sheriffs dept folder on a SSD.

I’m not convinced they are kkk or white supremacist. Links please.

I’m aware they’ve been framed as that.

They have a bunch of people of color in it dont they? Hard to be white supremacist or Kkk. Let me guess, you heard that on CNN,
a reply to: amazing

The Proud Boys give progressives and the press a way to burn off their Hate Karma.

They didn't care that people they disagree with were being shot, murdered, beaten, fired, assaulted, or bloodied.

This is the perfect release valve for pent up moral conundrums.

originally posted by: Lysergic
Oh no not the oh wait

I thought you said Sadboiz.

I thought it was Pride Boys...same deal, right?

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
I’m not convinced they are kkk or white supremacist. Links please.

I’m aware they’ve been framed as that.

They have a bunch of people of color in it dont they? Hard to be white supremacist or Kkk. Let me guess, you heard that on CNN,
a reply to: amazing

Probably 1/4 of the proud boyz are undercover LEOs working on getting their surveillance credentials.

Think about it...If the Angels, Banditos and KKK have FBI in their midst; why not the proud boys? This ain't mayberry RFD...

a reply to: olaru12

... and then a "certain section" of the banshee public lets rip
BUT OUR FRIST AMMENDMMINTS !
They'll be takin' our guns nexts

originally posted by: Cassi3l
a reply to: olaru12

... and then a "certain section" of the banshee public lets rip
BUT OUR FRIST AMMENDMMINTS !
They'll be takin' our guns nexts

Well we can thank Bush and the GOP for the Patriot act. The guys in the PA organizations don ned no stinkin badges, people have no idea how enormous the Patriot ACT orgs are, how yugggggeeee the taxpayer funded allocations are or even what the purpose is. It's slightly bigger than patting down air traveling citizens at the Lubbock airport.

a reply to: olaru12
Shrub
"Patriot Act"
Pffft


...and here we are now , nearly 20yrs on..
^-^

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
If it’s a men’s org, your first point is moot. There isn’t anything inherently wrong with unite the right rallies, so second point moot. I don’t doubt some are anti Semitic, although where are you pulling that from?

Do you call out Antifa for “bullying” and attacking people?
a reply to: amazing

Yeah, I think Antifa started as a good idea...let's protest. And turned into, let's hit people in the back of their heads and shout down free speech and threaten people. Antifa needs to evolve or die. It's no longer relevant or doing anything worthwhile.

Unite the right rallies are about alt right, KKK, Nazis and Aryan nation stuff. Do some research there.

Unite the right rallies aren't about libertarians and constitution party members hanging out with republicans....thta would actuallly be a good thing, Unite the rright is all about racism.

I think that some of them may have been as you say. But not all. For ex, the one in Boston that saw those huge protests, absolutely was not.

CNN and pundits have been pushing that narrative non stop for a few years. I’m not even a republican nor conservative.

But, I know bull crap when I see it, and political propaganda. Yes it is issued on both sides in different ways, so I’m not defending conservatives.

Also I’m fine with real protest and actual anti fascism. I’m not convinced at all that some of the claims of “everything on the right is fascism and Nazis are everywhere” is actually that though. For example, immigration controls which the majority of the world does is not “fascism.” Protest sure, and some is worth protesting, but they lose credibility with calling everything racist, fascist, Nazi, etc. it cheapens these terms.

Also Antifa has been around for a long time including in Europe, at least for a number of decades.
a reply to: amazing

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Cassi3l
a reply to: olaru12

... and then a "certain section" of the banshee public lets rip
BUT OUR FRIST AMMENDMMINTS !
They'll be takin' our guns nexts

Well we can thank Bush and the GOP for the Patriot act. The guys in the PA organizations don ned no stinkin badges, people have no idea how enormous the Patriot ACT orgs are, how yugggggeeee the taxpayer funded allocations are or even what the purpose is. It's slightly bigger than patting down air traveling citizens at the Lubbock airport.

It turns out that both republicans and democrats (joe Biden) were working on precursors to the Patriot Act. Not only that, many democrats voted for it. Not only that, Obama and co continued it all, not to mention the NSA revelations.

This is one reason among many that real leftists consider democrats to be Dinos, or fake leftists. Same with most establishment dems being apologists for or participants in endless wars, etc.

I too used to just think everything was “those evil republicans.” I woke up

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
I think that some of them may have been as you say. But not all. For ex, the one in Boston that saw those huge protests, absolutely was not.

CNN and pundits have been pushing that narrative non stop for a few years. I’m not even a republican nor conservative.

But, I know bull crap when I see it, and political propaganda. Yes it is issued on both sides in different ways, so I’m not defending conservatives.

Also I’m fine with real protest and actual anti fascism. I’m not convinced at all that some of the claims of “everything on the right is fascism and Nazis are everywhere” is actually that though. For example, immigration controls which the majority of the world does is not “fascism.” Protest sure, and some is worth protesting, but they lose credibility with calling everything racist, fascist, Nazi, etc. it cheapens these terms.

Also Antifa has been around for a long time including in Europe, at least for a number of decades.
a reply to: amazing

I agree with a majority of what you said. I just think the proud boys have gone to far and are to entrenched in the far right...meaning alt right or white supremists and those guys. I could be proven wrong, but they have been involved in a lot of that stuff.

Having said that, there's a huge difference between a proud boy and those and your average conservative or republican. Most republicans aren't bad people or racists or any of that kind of stuff.

originally posted by: amazing
I agree with a majority of what you said. I just think the proud boys have gone to far and are to entrenched in the far right...meaning alt right or white supremists and those guys. I could be proven wrong, but they have been involved in a lot of that stuff.

Having said that, there's a huge difference between a proud boy and those and your average conservative or republican. Most republicans aren't bad people or racists or any of that kind of stuff.

Proud Boys are a violent gang, and domestic terrorists. They're what happens when you take the Tea Party, who were already on the fringe, and then radicalize them. Getting banned from social media will hopefully be the least of their problems soon.

a reply to: Assassin82

By your count? You need to get your calculator recalibrated then.

There is no contest, no comparison at all. The far right have committed more murders, assaults and other serious crimes against the person in the UK and the US over the decades of my existence, than even the most utterly anarchic elements within the left wing ever have. If you want to consider turning up to counter protest against fascism, whenever a fascist, racist or Nazi group intend a march, as equal to one instance of a white supremacist murdering a person of colour, or a person who happens to be Jewish, or happens to be at one of those counter protests, then you are welcome to consider these things equal, but regardless of your opinion on the matter, they damned well aren't.

You can draw all the false equivalencies you like, there's no one to stop you. But if you want to be accurate and correct in your stance, you might want to make sure you aren't looking at this thing through a broken magnifying glass. The reason I say that, is that if you insist on being wrong, despite being shown that you are, that's wilful ignorance. Its not explicable or excusable, like simply lacking the information would be. Simply put, there are no examples of far right loonies being shot down in their droves or burned alive in their homes, by lefties from Antifa. There are no examples of mass shootings committed by people with ties to Antifa. There have been no prison murders, no lynchings, no crucifixions, no executions otherwise, linked either officially or otherwise with Antifa and the reason for that, is that even if you have to consider anyone with an extreme view scum, Antifa are simply
BETTER scum than their counterparts on the far right. They aren't murderers, terrorists, or any other derisory thing you could call them.

They simply resist fascism, racism and Nazism, which is a goal that is actually laudable, not sinister. They have not a head count to their name that even bares thinking about when compared with the number of bodies that have been dropped by entities aligned with the far right since I have been alive.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Assassin82

By your count? You need to get your calculator recalibrated then.

There is no contest, no comparison at all. The far right have committed more murders, assaults and other serious crimes against the person in the UK and the US over the decades of my existence, than even the most utterly anarchic elements within the left wing ever have. If you want to consider turning up to counter protest against fascism, whenever a fascist, racist or Nazi group intend a march, as equal to one instance of a white supremacist murdering a person of colour, or a person who happens to be Jewish, or happens to be at one of those counter protests, then you are welcome to consider these things equal, but regardless of your opinion on the matter, they damned well aren't.

You can draw all the false equivalencies you like, there's no one to stop you. But if you want to be accurate and correct in your stance, you might want to make sure you aren't looking at this thing through a broken magnifying glass. The reason I say that, is that if you insist on being wrong, despite being shown that you are, that's wilful ignorance. Its not explicable or excusable, like simply lacking the information would be. Simply put, there are no examples of far right loonies being shot down in their droves or burned alive in their homes, by lefties from Antifa. There are no examples of mass shootings committed by people with ties to Antifa. There have been no prison murders, no lynchings, no crucifixions, no executions otherwise, linked either officially or otherwise with Antifa and the reason for that, is that even if you have to consider anyone with an extreme view scum, Antifa are simply
BETTER scum than their counterparts on the far right. They aren't murderers, terrorists, or any other derisory thing you could call them.

They simply resist fascism, racism and Nazism, which is a goal that is actually laudable, not sinister. They have not a head count to their name that even bares thinking about when compared with the number of bodies that have been dropped by entities aligned with the far right since I have been alive.

Relax buddy,

No need to get all wadded up like that. Apparently I ruffled some feathers. My sincerest apologies.

Allow me to simplify; I don’t like either of these socially empowered groups. But, in a very recent timeline, let’s just arbitrarily say the past 3 years, ANTIFA has acted like petulant children who can’t be made happy and react to anything with violent aggression. Am I comparing them to Nazi Germany, no, I am not.

I don’t like Proud Boys because I see in them the same thing but for a different cause. They may not have the numbers yet, but in our emotionally hyper-fueled society they will be very quickly. I typically lean a little to the right in my beliefs and I would appreciate it if those personal beliefs weren’t represented by a group called “proud boys” who have already demonstrated at least some degree of violence. I would anticipate more as time progresses, though it pains me to think that. But, at the same time, I’m not comparing them to the KKK.

Apples and oranges my friend. More to the point of the thread, neither of these social entities deserve a platform to spread their biased and violent messages across. The second violence is used against fellow citizens the way it has, consequences must be served.

Anyway, based on the post I’m replying to, you seem far too heated to see what I’m saying without reaching for some drastic and unfair conclusions. So...namesta and what not.

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: Fallingdown

But here's the problem. Antifa is a problem, agreed. Minor though. Just don't turn your back on them if you disagree with them but as a whole, they're pretty harmless.

The proud boys are alt right, like KKK or White supremists. That's a really disgusting group of people.

As with most things, it's okay to dislike both groups. And I would say, the white supremists are s
lightly more dangerous.

ANTIFA pushes to stop free speech by ANY METHOD. They attack first and push to be the aggressor. Proud Boys give speeches, promote freedom of speech for all and attack when they are attacked, so a little different philosophy there between the two groups.

The question is why do you associate them with the KKK white supremacist etc when they say they do not allow those to join. Also, they are not all white and their Tents are more libertarian than anything else.

Some I agree with and some I don't but here is what they stand for...

You asked “who dictates what a hate group is?”

Left wing Libs dictate what a hate group is. Nobody else has the intellect to dictate such a thing.

I gotta admit, I like hearing these Libs spout that being “alt-right” is a bad thing.

Meanwhile, the most extreme far-right, anti-left rape-culture IN HISTORY, islam, is held in VERY high regard by the very same Libs.

Irony is not their strong point

originally posted by: TrueBrit

There is no contest, no comparison at all. The far right have committed more murders, assaults and other serious crimes against the person in the UK and the US over the decades of my existence, than even the most utterly anarchic elements within the left wing ever have. If you want to consider turning up to counter protest against fascism, whenever a fascist, racist or Nazi group intend a march, as equal to one instance of a white supremacist murdering a person of colour, or a person who happens to be Jewish, or happens to be at one of those counter protests, then you are welcome to consider these things equal, but regardless of your opinion on the matter, they damned well aren't.

You are right in the context that you speak of. We can say since 911 up to 2016 that alt right have committed 74% of these acts labeled domestic terrorist. The problem is that something like burning a car can be labeled domestic terrorist and add to the count. Here is the 74%



Looks real bad doesn't it? HUGE problem right? Here is the death numbers...




285 people in 15 years... In a country of 330 million I can't say that is a big number. When over 600 people are murdered in Chicago alone PER YEAR, ONE CITY, mostly Black on black crime, I can't say 285 in 15 years is a big number, or a huge problem.

When they estimate less than 10,000 white supremacist live in that 330 million and gang members alone is over 2 million, once again where is the problem mostly? White supremacist from ALL over the country flooded Charlottesville to legally march and give speech in some park...ALL 200 or less of them...lol Though it was tragic that one of these clowns killed someone with their car I need to wonder was it a domestic terrorist act or some idiot that got pissed because people were hitting his car and so he freaked out and did something horrible, but hey lets call it domestic terrorist.

Here is the fun part...do you know why the numbers stop at 2016? It is because since 2016 up to today the vast majority of domestic terrorist acts have been left wing, and we can't screw up the narrative with peskily facts like that, can we.