NEWS: Kansas AG Seeks Late-Term Abortion Records "To look For Crimes"

Originally posted by FredT

As stated above, this is a personal issue with this guy and he is on a fishing expedition. The next step is to get YOUR ISP on the line and see if we have been visiting porn sites on the internet. :shk:

Thanks FredT, people in their blindness do not realize the repercussions of such an action, it will affect not only the "baby killers" but also the regular citizen rights to privacy. Abortion is not illegal in this country, the man is after all “kind of sinners”but now he is targeting women.

Get it, you privacy.

Sofi, God bless you girl I have not Idea all you have gone through, no wonder you have become so involved in the new diseases and its possible causes. You are strong indeed.



[edit on 25-2-2005 by marg6043]

Crime trumps privacy. If it didn't there would be no such thing as a search warrant. Break the law, lose privacy. Abort children against the law... BE held accountable. Rape a child, be held accountable. No excuses, is sounds like you think your privacy allows one to keep their crime secret from those who would bring justice.

the AG is after criminals. All you people whining are accomplices to Rape and murder.

Originally posted by Kinja

All you people whining are accomplices to Rape and murder.

I'd like to see your evidence.

Such statements are slanderous, if not libelous.


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Originally posted by FredT
Really now then why has the puts AG refused to accept records that has the patients identities removed for his investigation?

As stated above, this is a personal issue with this guy and he is on a fishing expedition. The next step is to get YOUR ISP on the line and see if we have been visiting porn sites on the internet. :shk:

I guess if you have something to hide or are ashamed of, you would be worried that someone knew what websites you went to or frequented.

Originally posted by Kinja

Originally posted by FredT
Really now then why has the puts AG refused to accept records that has the patients identities removed for his investigation?

As stated above, this is a personal issue with this guy and he is on a fishing expedition. The next step is to get YOUR ISP on the line and see if we have been visiting porn sites on the internet. :shk:

I guess if you have something to hide or are ashamed of, you would be worried that someone knew what websites you went to or frequented.

Oh really? So you don't believe in civil liberties, or support a person's right to privacy?

Do you realize you are spouting standard fascist trash?

Originally posted by soficrow
I'd like to see your evidence.

Such statements are slanderous, if not libelous.

It is quite simple, anyone standing for the concealment of a rape or murder is an accomplice.

Originally posted by Kinja

Originally posted by soficrow
I'd like to see your evidence.

Such statements are slanderous, if not libelous.

It is quite simple, anyone standing for the concealment of a rape or murder is an accomplice.

You are assuming the existence of a crime, and presuming complicity.

You have no evidence.



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Originally posted by soficrow

Originally posted by Kinja

Originally posted by FredT
Really now then why has the puts AG refused to accept records that has the patients identities removed for his investigation?

As stated above, this is a personal issue with this guy and he is on a fishing expedition. The next step is to get YOUR ISP on the line and see if we have been visiting porn sites on the internet. :shk:

I guess if you have something to hide or are ashamed of, you would be worried that someone knew what websites you went to or frequented.

Oh really? So you don't believe in civil liberties, or support a person's right to privacy?

Do you realize you are spouting standard fascist trash?

The Law trumps your privacy. Thats why you cannot have a private trial. Privacy is not intended to allow you the means to commit crime and go unprosecuted.

Originally posted by soficrow

Originally posted by DrHoracid

Sorry dude. Abortion doctors are butchers not surgeons. Mass murderers. Serial Killers. Their medical license needs to be revoked. They rank right down there with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc, etc.

Abortion doctors have saved a LOT of lives. ...Desperate women who would have gone to real butchers - women who are sick with undiagnosed illnesses that are triggered by pregnancy hormones - girls who were raped and are too young to bring a baby to term. ...and more.

Please provide data that abortion butchers save lives. Let's do a comparison to numbers of murdered babies vs saved lives. Do you have such data or is this just feminist BS.?

Originally posted by DrHoracid
Please provide data that abortion butchers save lives. Let's do a comparison to numbers of murdered babies vs saved lives. Do you have such data or is this just feminist BS.?

They have no data... any procedure that is life threatening is NOT performed in an Abortion clinic, but rather a Hospital. Abortion clinic SAVE NO LIVES. THEY TAKE THEM.

Originally posted by DrHoracid

Originally posted by soficrow

Originally posted by DrHoracid

Sorry dude. Abortion doctors are butchers not surgeons. Mass murderers. Serial Killers. Their medical license needs to be revoked. They rank right down there with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc, etc.

Abortion doctors have saved a LOT of lives. ...Desperate women who would have gone to real butchers - women who are sick with undiagnosed illnesses that are triggered by pregnancy hormones - girls who were raped and are too young to bring a baby to term. ...and more.

Please provide data that abortion butchers save lives. Let's do a comparison to numbers of murdered babies vs saved lives. Do you have such data or is this just feminist BS.?

I provided an example. My life. Anecdotal but legitimate, and I know you know the case is not unusual.

RE: data. You go first please - you made the first assertions. Please back them up.

...You said, "Abortion doctors are butchers not surgeons. Mass murderers. Serial Killers. Their medical license needs to be revoked. They rank right down there with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc, etc."


You're on sweetie. Stats please.

Oh and as a related aside, why don't you check out this thread?

Woman to be Sterilized

and this one...

Thousands Wrongly Convicted Each Year



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Abortion Statistics - Decisions to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing.
21.3% of women cannot afford a baby.
14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child.
12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy.)
10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career.
7.9% of women want no (more) children.
3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health.

Your reasoning to save lives......
[2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health. ]

Murder just in the US alone (abortions)

1996 - 1,365,700
1995 - 1,363,700
1994 - 1,431,000
1993 - 1,500,000
1992 - 1,528,900
1991 - 1,556,500
1990 - 1,608,600
1989 - 1,566,900
1988 - 1,590,800
1987 - 1,559,100
1986 - 1,574,000
1985 - 1,588,600
1984 - 1,577,200
1983 - 1,575,000
1982 - 1,573,900
1981 - 1,577,300
1980 - 1,553,900
1979 - 1,497,700
1978 - 1,409,600
1977 - 1,316,700
1976 - 1,179,300
1975 - 1,034,200
1974 - 898,600
1973 - 774,600

Including data for 1996 thru 2004 the total is approximately 42 million. So 2.8% of these murdered childern were to save the mothers life. So 40,000,000 babies were sacrificed so a woman can say her life was saved?

The data does no support the conclusion.........

Abortion is murder.............

[edit on 25-2-2005 by DrHoracid]

...And the crickets sang...

The demons continue to butcher the innocent in favor of the criminal.

[edit on 25-2-2005 by Kinja]

Dr. Horacid perhaps Christians fundamentalist should will target sinners that have frequent divorces, but the truth is most of them are sinners also. Perhaps divorce should become a capital crime and masturbation.

Originally posted by marg6043
Dr. Horacid perhaps Christians fundamentalist should will target sinners that have frequent divorces, but the truth is most of them are sinners also. Perhaps divorce should become a capital crime and masturbation.

Everyone is a sinner, nobody is disputing this. That said, the Law should be upheld. Should a John Wayne Gacy be able to say that digging under his house is violation of his privacy?

DrH - You did not provide data to prove your assertions.

However, I will accept your numbers and ask, "What do you propose to do do about the already hungry, poor, uninsured and homeless before you add more unwanted children to their numbers?




Sick and Uninsured Americans:

April14, 2004. “43.6 Million and Counting: What Can Be Done About the Uninsured?”
www.med.unc.edu...

"...The Institute of Medicine estimates that 18,000 uninsured Americans die needlessly each year because they can't afford to see a doctor when they're sick. ...the uninsured often pay more for medical care than the insured."
www.pbs.org...

Getting Less Care: The Uninsured with Chronic Health Conditions. February 2001
www.familiesusa.org...

Families USA
www.familiesusa.org...

American Homelessness:

A lack of affordable housing and the limited scale of housing assistance programs are the primary causes of homelessness. The growing gap between the number of affordable housing units and the number of people needing them has created a housing crisis for poor people. ...recently, rents have soared, putting housing out of reach for the poorest Americans.
www.nationalhomeless.org...

Approximately 33% of homeless men are veterans, although veterans comprise only 23% of the general adult male population. The National Coalition for Homeless Veterans estimates that on any given night, 299,321 veterans are homeless (National Coalition for Homeless Veterans, 2003).
www.nationalhomeless.org...

In most cases, homelessness is a temporary circumstance -- not a permanent condition. A more appropriate measure of the magnitude of homelessness is therefore the number of people who experience homelessness over time, not the number of "homeless people." ...the best approximation is from an Urban Institute study which states that about 3.5 million people, 1.35 million of them children, are likely to experience homelessness in a given year (Urban Institute 2000).
www.nationalhomeless.org...

Facts about Homelessness
www.nationalhomeless.org...

Report: Illegal to be Homeless: The Criminalization of Homelessness in the United States, Embargoed Until 11 a.m. EST, Tuesday, November 9, 2004, after the national election.

...the most comprehensive study of homeless civil rights violations. This study is also the most up-to-date survey of current laws that criminalize homeless people and ranks the top "meanest" cities and states in the country. This report examines legislated ordinances and statutes, as well as law enforcement and community practices since August of 2003.
www.nationalhomeless.org...

American Hunger:

Domestic Hunger & Poverty Facts
Hunger persists in the U.S.
* 36.3 million people—including 13 million children—live in households that experience hunger or the risk of hunger. This represents more than one in ten households in the United States (11.2 percent). This is an increase of 1.4 million, from 34.9, million in 2002. 1
* 3.5 percent of U.S. households experience hunger. Some people in these households frequently skip meals or eat too little, sometimes going without food for a whole day. 9.6 million people, including 3 million children, live in these homes.1
* 7.7 percent of U.S. households are at risk of hunger. Members of these households have lower quality diets or must resort to seeking emergency food because they cannot always afford the food they need. 26.6 million people, including 10.3 million children, live in these homes. 1
* Research shows that preschool and school-aged children who experience severe hunger have higher levels of chronic illness, anxiety and depression, and behavior problems than children with no hunger. 2
www.bread.org...

"Rumph, 54, is part of the local population of older residents who depend on emergency food services.
...“I’ve had no income for over a year,” he said. “I can’t do nothing no more. I’m suppose to take four inhalers. I’m waiting for them to start my disability before I kick the bucket.”
According to Shared Harvest Foodbank in Fairfield, the elderly, aged 60 and older, make up 11 percent of people who seek food at pantries in Butler County. However, 32 percent of the elderly are hungry in Southwest Ohio, said Tina Osso, founder and executive director of Shared Harvest.
"Foodbanks' older clientele to rise"
www.journal-news.com... news/stories/2004/12/19/HJN1219HUNGER.html

Originally posted by soficrow
DrH - You did not provide data to prove your assertions.

However, I will accept your numbers and ask, "What do you propose to do do about the already hungry, poor, uninsured and homeless before you add more unwanted children to their numbers?

Here isa link to the data provided above.

womensissues.about.com...

If these 42,000,000 amerian wer alive, there contributions to the tax base especially social security would help with the national debt, etc, etc.

You 'assume' all abortions are from "poor" women. Not true is it.

Here is some more data about the anti-abortion violence please compair the data 7 murders vs 42 million? Nice trade off huh?

Abortion Provider Violence Statistics:

[7 Murders]
17 Attempted Murders

41 Bombings
168 Arsons
82 Attempted Bombings/Arsons
373 Invasions
1048 Incidences of Vandalism
591 Incidences of Trespassing
125 Incidences of Assault and Battery
357 Death Threats
3 Kidnappings
76 Incidences of Burglary

link
womensissues.about.com...

Originally posted by DrHoracid

Originally posted by soficrow
DrH - You did not provide data to prove your assertions.

However, I will accept your numbers and ask, "What do you propose to do do about the already hungry, poor, uninsured and homeless before you add more unwanted children to their numbers?

You 'assume' all abortions are from "poor" women.

No. I don't make that assumption. I am aware that unwanted children create many and diverse burdens upon society.


My first question stands, "What do you propose to do do about the already hungry, poor, uninsured and homeless before you add more unwanted children to their numbers?"

My second question: "Given that abortion clients come from so many different backgrounds and have such different motives, rationales and constraints, how can you presume to create a "one-size-fits-all" judgment?"



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Originally posted by soficrow

No. I don't make that assumption. I am aware that unwanted children create many and diverse burdens upon society.


My first question stands, "What do you propose to do do about the already hungry, poor, uninsured and homeless before you add more unwanted children to their numbers?"

My second question: "Given that abortion clients come from so many different backgrounds and have such different motives, rationales and constraints, how can you presume to create a "one-size-fits-all" judgment?"

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If 97% of all abortions are for reason other than saving the woman life then reduce abortions by 97%. Sounds fair to me!

Lets do some math. Of the 40,000,000 dead. Lets take the number up to 20 years ago, say 15 million. Lets add 15 million to the tax base. The average income in the US is $42,000 per year. Tax equals approx 30% thats $12,600 per person of the 15 million. Thats about $378 billion in extra revenue over 20 years. You can feed a lot of hungry people on that.

These are very "ruff" numbers but you get the idea.

Originally posted by soficrow
....how can you presume to create a "one-size-fits-all" judgment?"

LMAO!!!

25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing.
21.3% of women cannot afford a baby.
14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child.
12.2% of women are too young
10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career.
7.9% of women want no (more) children.
3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health.
2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health.

Abortion is a One size fits all excuses judgement.