Neo-Nazi Groups in East Germany

Apparently there is an increase in Neo-Nazi groups in East Germany. During the commemoration of the 60th anniversary of allied bombings on Dresden on February 13 there were massive protests by young Neo-Nazi's against Anglos, Jews and foreigners.

Also, in that area of Germany a new far-right political party known as the National Democracy party is becoming more and more popular with younger people in Eastern Germany. The party blames foreigners for problems within Germany and wants immigration and welfare cuts.

I guess years of influence from the Soviet Union is the cause of some of these very radical views. Anyone with any more information on this please enlighten me.

Yeah, i know, its kinda getting bad now in Europe. The far right is gaining ground now and support. It will only take one country to trigger the whole of Europe to become a far right playground.

It's not going to happen. Nazis won't take over again. The likelihood of children with non-Nazi/anti-Nazi parents becoming Nazis is about 1%;whereas, children with pro-Nazi parents are very likely to become Nazis. Following that logic, the ~20% foothold that the Nazi party currently has in Europe will either stay that way or diminish over time.

Besides, Germany isn't at the top of the world anymore as they were in the world war eras (Britain and France are in similar situations). Therefore, I'm convinced that even if there's a Nazi takeover - which, I repeat, is unlikely - it would have little potential as America and other powers will watch it with extreme and heightened scrutiny.

That's my philosophy anyway .

Dont be too sure. These groups are gaining support because mainstream parties are too busy ignoring the people. Russia will either fall back to the communists or the Russian Unity Party (Nazi party). Eastern European countries face extremists groups aswell and Germany will probably be the first country with a far right group gaining large numbers in parliament. The thing is, we never learnt from our past.

Nationalists are certainly becommingmore powerful in europe in recent years (ala LaPenn, Haider, and that recently assasinated bald gay dutch nationalist politician who's name escapes me at the moment), but thats not quite the same as National Socialisism and Fascism regaining lost ground. It should be expected, especially with the EU, that there be strong nationalist support.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Nationalists are certainly becommingmore powerful in europe in recent years (ala LaPenn, Haider, and that recently assasinated bald gay dutch nationalist politician who's name escapes me at the moment), but thats not quite the same as National Socialisism and Fascism regaining lost ground. It should be expected, especially with the EU, that there be strong nationalist support.

agreed.
The EU has brought it all about due to the mass immigration that is taking place. But it doesnt mean Europe is becoming more racist, just turning to different groups to get their views across. I had a friend who voted for the BNP, he is not a nazi, just fed up with the crime in our area and UK's immigration policy.

Originally posted by infinite
But it doesnt mean Europe is becoming more racist, just turning to different groups to get their views across.

Ditto, but what I never understood is why there's no Nazi party present in America. Nazis parties are all over Europe due to political freedom, but America has similar political freedom. Very perplexing indeed .

Originally posted by Blackout
It's not going to happen. Nazis won't take over again. The likelihood of children with non-Nazi/anti-Nazi parents becoming Nazis is about 1%;whereas, children with pro-Nazi parents are very likely to become Nazis. Following that logic, the ~20% foothold that the Nazi party currently has in Europe will either stay that way or diminish over time.

Besides, Germany isn't at the top of the world anymore as they were in the world war eras (Britain and France are in similar situations). Therefore, I'm convinced that even if there's a Nazi takeover - which, I repeat, is unlikely - it would have little potential as America and other powers will watch it with extreme and heightened scrutiny.

That's my philosophy anyway

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Germany, at the time of the rise of the Nazi party started, was not at the top of the world anyway. Far from it in fact, which is considered a major factor in the rise of said party.

The growth of extremism such as this can be easily traced back to problems surrounding the society. This was the case in Germany that spawned the horror that was the Nazi party. The massive strains which the treaty of Versaille placed upon the German people and the depression. All such occurances are rife for the growth of a politics which feeds on anger.

A look at Germany today shows a huge rate of unemployment and and already an apparent problem with immigration, especially from Turkey. This, almost a feeling of disinheritance and anger combined with perhaps a free time through unemployment can easily lead to a strong desire to blame someone else. Such manipulation is well known and readily utilized in politics with an excellent example being the original party in question.

Perhaps this may be the cause of the rise in extremism that is the topic here, but the social order of the times in which we live, I believe, preclude a similar happening on such a scale again.

Jack



[edit on 24/2/05 by JAK]

Lets take the UK, majority of us do not feel safe. it needs sorting out be time and if worse came to worse, i would turn to an alternative party if its not sorted out. These groups are not just appealing to whites, they appealing to their whole country, thats the problem.

Jak, I was mainly speaking of their power during the WORLD WAR ERAS - not the interwar period.

By my definition of a superpower, it is constituted by 1) military power 2) political power/relations 3) economic power. Currently, America only has #1, military power, and possibly #2. Germany was in a similar situation; although, Hitler revived the economy and they reached record lows in unemployment.

I think when ever the pendulumn of society swings too far in one direction it has to come crashing back to the otherside. Our current society has gone extremely to the left thus I predict conservatism will be on the rise. Basically the hippies, liberals, & artists from the sixties who now are running the governments had a legitimate fight against discrimination & oppression but when they achieved equality they didn't stop. They think they have to continually push the envelope. They want to bring about the total destruction of Christianity and some liberals want the destruction of the European/white people. I've read many posts on this website saying racism will end when everybody becomes brown? This goes against human nature. Even if everybody had the same color skin then people would base things on slanted/open eyes, long or short noses, curly or straight hair. It will never end. Another guy said the best genes float to the top of interacial relationships saying halfbreeds/ multi racials are genetically superior. This isn't the case otherwise South Americans who are Spanish/Portugese/African/Aboriginal Indian mixed would be dominating the world athletically, musically, scientifically, & militarily but guess what? They aren't.
Basically the liberal controlled media has been blaming the world's evils on white males and finally the white males are starting to get sick of it and are standing up for themselves. When one stands up to a liberal they are automatically called nazi or racist or bigot. So just like the "N" word was derogetory to Africans, their youth embraced the word in hip hop culture and turned it into a positive thing. This will also evetually happen with the word nazi or racist given enough time.

Originally posted by Blackout
Jak, I was mainly speaking of their power during the WORLD WAR ERAS - not the interwar period.

By my definition of a superpower, it is constituted by 1) military power 2) political power/relations 3) economic power. Currently, America only has #1, military power, and possibly #2. Germany was in a similar situation; although, Hitler revived the economy and they reached record lows in unemployment.

Sorry if I mistook your statement Blackout, but this thread is entitled: Neo-Nazi Groups in East Germany and for the rise of the Third Reich to be understood and therefore perhaps reasons that should be viewed as relevant when considering such a situation happening again, the German social conditions of the time that led up to, and thus contributed in a major way to the start of WWII, must be understood. And those conditions were a sense of unhappyness, disinheritance and disenfranchisement.

The reason Hitler was able to bring any propserity to Germany such as employment figures, was also another reason that a conflict was inevitable. He was running the country on finances that were borrowed from the future.

All these, the situation of Germany at the time, it's political structure and the sentiments of the German people are pertinent and must be taken into consideration when discussing the possibility of such a thing reoccuring.

Germany was not though, in the times that Hitler was able to engineer his hands onto the reins of power, a happy nor wealthy place.

Jack

Originally posted by infinite
Lets take the UK, majority of us do not feel safe. it needs sorting out be time and if worse came to worse, i would turn to an alternative party if its not sorted out. These groups are not just appealing to whites, they appealing to their whole country, thats the problem.

I totaly disagree, in the UK the majority DO feel safe. In fact I do not remember ever being told by someone they did not feel safe. Not sure where you are coming from tbh.

As for the rise of Neo-Nazi's, I don't think so. In fact I have been told they are more a minority group than ever before. The recent rememberance may have brought them out as a group, but that is all.

Originally posted by Blackout

Originally posted by infinite
But it doesnt mean Europe is becoming more racist, just turning to different groups to get their views across.

Ditto, but what I never understood is why there's no Nazi party present in America.

There is infact a part called 'The Nazi Party of America'. Lincoln Rockwell or somesuch was their usual presidential candidate. Besides which, there are neo-nazis in america, but they only make up something liek 1 percent of the population, whereas in europe they're a much bigger group.

Simply put, americans reject nazissm, europeans are more accepting, as a whole, of it.

jak
The massive strains which the treaty of Versaille placed upon the German people and the depression

Versailles was used as justification later tho, at the time the nazis didn't get real support. That didn't occur until the Weimar republic's leftist monetary policies wreaked the economy as part of the world wide economic downturn. Essentially, from what I undestand, the weimar republic had a centrally planned, rather than open, economy, were tied to a gold standard, and also went wild with printing more and more money. This made the situation worse, and also made the governement unpopular. That allowed reformist groups like the nazis with 'progressive' economic policies, to come to power. Though I won't pretend for a moment that it was only because of that, but it looks like that was a ciritical turning point.

Perhaps this may be the cause of the rise in extremism

The nazis weren't supported by extremists tho. Infact their critical support in the last moments came from the old conservatives. A Randist named Peikoff wrote a book called 'Ominous Parrallels', between the US and Weimar Germany, looking at the influence of 'new ageism', 'anti-rationalism' and 'abstractionist' movements in art and life had on the rise of the nazis.

Originally posted by Kriz_4The recent rememberance may have brought them out as a group, but that is all

But notice who the recent event was protesting against, the anglos, the imperialists, and the like. That rhetoric is very very much in fashion these days. The nazis were able to use fear, in particular conspiracy, against the jews, and against the english and others, to whip up power. The climate is certainly right for that sort of thing to happen again, which would be extremely ironic, since the 'population' ready for that rule are the ones shouting 'die nazi imperialists'.

Originally posted by Kriz_4
As for the rise of Neo-Nazi's, I don't think so. In fact I have been told they are more a minority group than ever before. The recent rememberance may have brought them out as a group, but that is all.

Who ever told you about them being a minority is wrong. The only reason you hardly hear about them is because mainstream media does not cover certain stories,etc. The "silent treatement" is mainly to keep them from gaining a voice, most of these groups appeal to different groups in society, not just whites.

Being German and living in Germany myself I can assure you, those "Neo-Nazis" in some parts of Eastern Germany are nowhere near having any impact or influence. The media is cooking up a non-issue, for their own sensationalistic reasons. 98% of the voters in east germany vote for demoncratic parties, then there´s about 1% for the extreme left, and 2% for the extreme right. And since the extreme left and extreme right are a valid part of the political landscape, that is totally ok. What the media will do is, they will make footage of a group of baseball-bat swining skinhead idiots hanging around at the train station, and will entitle it "Nazism on the Rise in Germany".

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by Kriz_4
As for the rise of Neo-Nazi's, I don't think so. In fact I have been told they are more a minority group than ever before. The recent rememberance may have brought them out as a group, but that is all.

Who ever told you about them being a minority is wrong. The only reason you hardly hear about them is because mainstream media does not cover certain stories,etc. The "silent treatement" is mainly to keep them from gaining a voice, most of these groups appeal to different groups in society, not just whites.

how can a Nazi party appeal to people who aren't white? so your saying that the BNP is going to appeal to non-whites living in Britain? how so? i dont know how you can say that the BNP isn't a racist, fascist organization...

many of these groups portray messages like "we need to stop illegal immigration" and people will be like, "yeah, thats reasonable"....but then they either ignore or dont know about their other policies and agenda's of deporting foreginers or detaining them in camps (like that French guy wanted to..Le Penn his name was maybe?)

I was under the impression that East Germany doesn't exist anymore.

It would be a shame if these "New" Nazis were to cause so much trouble where "der Vaterland" would have to be split again!

Shame, shame, shame!

The Rise of Neo nazi's is expected. As the white race falls in numbers and as the world as we once new it starts to disappear, more nazi and nazi like groups will emerge. Most white people have 1 or 2 kids. 1 kid drops the numbers 2 sustains it. With the birth rates of latinos in america and the muslims in europe rising and the whites brith rate falling it wont be long before white people are a thing of the past. In my opinion most races like blacks and latinos have had thousands of years to prove themselves. Most all technology that is around today was made threw white people or white controled countries. It sucks to see the future of the world fall under mud rule. Its sucks to see white people so caught up with the tolerance and the love everybody crap that they fail to see there own race dieing, do you think latinos or blacks or muslims, like white people? Hell no they dont! Then why do you tolerate them? Even if most white people do see it they dont care. This post will probably offend some people. Funny thing is, it will proble offend some white kid who has been brain washed by a lebral school system and MTV. He most likely has no sence of who he is where he comes from, no pride in what he is, and most importantly so no motivation to defend his white race and its way of life.


[edit on 16-3-2005 by Theblind]