How many percentage pf people are Objective truth seeker/Follower/Corrupted around you?

In this thread I want the readers to look at the people around them and notice the level of percentage that fit into different characteristics. Let's assume that you can categorize every human person based on their behavior pattern by looking at their every action.

The three behavior groups and behavior patterns I want you to notice are:
Objective truth seeker
The follower
The corrupted one

The Objective truth seeker:
A person that will have less than 10% follower and corrupted traits. Will not allow itself to be corrupted or harmful to others except when not accepting ignorance. The being who cannot withstand hypocrisy. Will not allow itself to go high up in a Power Pyramid Dominance Scheme since it cannot justify the suffering it causes.

The corrupted one:
A person that will have more than 90% corrupted traits. Will allow itself to be corrupted and be harmful to others and will excel at creating subjective justification stories that do not hold up when tested. Cannot withstand objective scrutiny. Will push itself to go high up in a Power Pyramid Dominance Scheme. Will use subjective justification stories to manipulate others.

The follower:
A person who is above 10% and less than 90% follower and corrupted traits. Will have some core values that makes some behavior totally unacceptable but will allow itself to fold to subjective justification stories. Will also create own subjective justification stories when needed. Cannot withstand full objective scrutiny. Some will be fighting for a spot in the Power Pyramid Dominance Scheme but will fail since they are not corrupted enough. Some will be trying to become The Objective truth seeker but do not want to cause waves to the majority and fold and mimic others. Some just mimic others.

I will add the Power Pyramid for those who do not know the concept.


Can you "the reader" look at the people in your surrounding and give a percentage on what behavior box the people you meet belong?

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Well safe to say I fit in with everyone else...

a reply to: LittleByLittle

I see some truth to these categories. I think it's just a play on leader / follower archetypes mainly though.

Twould that it twere so simple
Twould that it were so simple
Say it faster

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
Twould that it twere so simple
Twould that it were so simple
Say it faster

Say you're nucking futs as fast as you can 3 times.

They must find it difficult, those who have accepted authority as the truth...... and not truth as the authority

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Isn't this special!!! A whole thread devoted to talking trash about everyone we know -- yay!!!

We even get to choose between three boxes to put them all in -- woohoo!!!

Nothing subjective about that, right? This is an exercise in the utmost objectivity, right? Right???

Oh wait... No, its not. At all. In any way, shape or form. Its all subjective. One might even say its just a subjective justification story.

Hmmm.... Seems to me that the OP says everything about YOU....

a reply to: LittleByLittle

I would say the follower class is probably 70-80% of the the population at any given time. The remaining 2 categories could be evenly divided but I have a suspicion the soulless comprise about 5-10% more than the honorable.

Maybe something like this:
Honorable 10%
Sheep 75%
Parasites 15%

Since evil/dark/tyranny tends to be the weaker force, there is more needed to maintain the balance over the sheep. The sheep simply follow trends. The trends that ebb and flow like a pendulum. With each swing into tyranny and then back into freedom teach.

What type of percentages do you see out there?

a reply to: ClovenSky

20 years ago the numbers where for me with 30 persons:
10% The Objective truth seeker
10% The corrupted one
80% The follower

I do not have a grouping of people that is a suitable demographic anymore.

One of the reasons I am asking others to see what they think/see/are aware of.

a reply to: Boadicea

Maybe it is a subjective justification story. Give me a better model of you can come up with it that is more precise tracking the cause and effect of suffering.

Do not the power pyramid exist?
In history can you not find example where the corrupted Ones and the followers who blindly follow cause a high level of suffering?

Moral relativism (everything is subjective) is excuse stories for not looking at cause and effect. The measuring of pain receptors in the nerve system of a body is an objective knowable measurement across time for those who wish to know it.

Ignorance is not the same as knowing/awareness.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: Boadicea

Maybe it is a subjective justification story. Give me a better model of you can come up with it that is more precise tracking the cause and effect of suffering.

Um... Let's see... I think we can find it with the rainbow-farting unicorns in Never Never Land... Just find the second star to the right and then it's straight on till tomorrow.

In other words, there is no such thing. And any effort to devise such a model will always be faulty because it will always be subjective to one extent or another and therefore a practical failure.

UNLESS we just want to talk trash about our fellow man and judge them all from our oh-so-gilded pedestals.

Ignorance is not the same as knowing/awareness.

Indeed. Neither are opinions nor feelings nor beliefs nor judgment. All say more about ourselves than anyone else.

a reply to: Boadicea

Do we not all judge? I don't know anyone who doesn't judge on some level. This is a subjective question at this point in time and I believe the OP was asking for opinions.

Have you not just judged others based on simple questions and theories? It appears you found the question path lacking as it doesn't conform with your reality. Wouldn't that be a prime example of hypocrisy?

Where does one start in defining themselves and this reality in which they exist if not asking questions? Is there some approved list out there the needs to be followed so the label of judgmental ## can be avoided?

a reply to: ClovenSky

Ahhh... Now you're talking a little more sense! But you are asking a very different question than the OP proposed. The OP asked us to judge others... You are asking about judging ourselves.

One must use their judgment as necessary and appropriate regarding situations and actions in regards to one's self -- but that is the only practical and appropriate purpose.

And given humanity's inherent weaknesses and frailties -- including our tendency to denial and rationalization -- even then its value is limited by each individual's weaknesses and frailties.

But we're all a work in progress, eh?

a reply to: Boadicea

And how does one judge themselves? Against a tree? Against the sky? Or against other humans? If you could shed some light on how to judge myself by not comparing to and observing other humans, please educate me.

a reply to: Boadicea

Can you explain your rules of who we are allowed to question?

Are we only allowed to question the people in power or can we also question the narratives followers follow?

In your threads pointing towards Corruption from Hillery Clinton is ok but not pointing out John McCain Corruption.

Do it push a nerve when discussion of both these politicians links to Saudi Arabia/wahhabism and ISIS is discussed?

originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: Boadicea

And how does one judge themselves? Against a tree? Against the sky? Or against other humans? If you could shed some light on how to judge myself by not comparing to and observing other humans, please educate me.

Well, I really don't understand why anyone would compare themselves to others to begin with. Other people don't determine who I am. My worth is not determined by others. I'm me. You're you.

In terms of "observing" others, we can judge what is and isn't right for ourselves. And we then have the power to live accordingly.

And, of course, let others live accordingly.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: Boadicea

Can you explain your rules of who we are allowed to question?

Technically speaking, we can question anyone and everything... The real question is who we can demand answers from.

Are we only allowed to question the people in power or can we also question the narratives followers follow?

Question all you want... Demand all the answers you want from our "leaders"... Then make whatever judgments you want for YOURSELF... And then live accordingly.

In your threads pointing towards Corruption from Hillery Clinton is ok but not pointing out John McCain Corruption.

Hmmm.... Mighty big assumption there. Corruption is corruption. And if you'd really done your due diligence, you'd know that it is my longstanding and continued default position that all political critters are rotten to the core, and I blame the Feds first for pretty much everything. So while I may have posted threads which called out Hillary specifically, but not McCain, that's all it means.

Although I would also posit that you and I might disagree about what exactly constitutes corruption and corrupt acts regarding both Hillary and McCain.

Do it push a nerve when discussion of both these politicians links to Saudi Arabia/wahhabism and ISIS is discussed?

In what sense? In the sense of violent acts committed on the innocent and defenseless is absolutely unconscionable? And any/all such support by our officials is likewise unconscionable and possibly treasonous?

Or in the sense that it would "touch a nerve" if McCain were so linked but not Hillary?

In any scenario, my response is the same: give us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and let the chips fall where they may.

originally posted by: hombero
a reply to: LittleByLittle

I see some truth to these categories. I think it's just a play on leader / follower archetypes mainly though.

There might be some "truth" in the categories but according to it I am still stuck in medieval feudalism (with "everyone else" obviously )...it's poorly arranged and confusing to me, for example the clergy clearly still exist under corporate feudalism but aren't represented on that side. Similarly with the military, farming and merchantile classes. I don't feel that a great deal of thought has gone into it's design, I can't quite understand what it is attempting to illustrate.

@ LittleByLittle - Perhaps it's just meant for the US audience and isn't transferable...plus there is the whole "objective truth" thing that the OP seems to rest upon, what makes something an objective truth, in your opinion?

Thanks.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

You forgot (or deliberately omitted) the most important group : Truth Seekers (without the "objective" prefix)

originally posted by: crowdedskies
a reply to: LittleByLittle

You forgot (or deliberately omitted) the most important group : Truth Seekers (without the "objective" prefix)

It all depends on the level of awareness and intuition the seeker have. Some souls have evolved very precise behavior patterns over long time and can achieve less than 10% corrupted manifestation thru a life time with only intuition.

Other souls have created logical awareness abilities to be able to know measurement of manifestation logically and can achieve the less than 10% corrupted manifestation thru a life time.

My opening post builds on that people understand that morality is an objectively knowable value that can be measured just like gravity.

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Troubleshooting a brain thru measuring the state of every Planck point particle state without measuring entanglement in real time is like measuring a computer screen for errors visually. You can find faults (for instance pixel problems in this analogy) but if the problem is on the other side of the en entanglement then you are ignoring it. In this analogy sometimes there a problems with the video card causing distortions.