Tim Berners-Lee - Radical new plan to upend the World Wide Web

I am all for this, super interested.

But uhhhhm, where's the sauce?

a reply to: Lightdhype

I emailed Inrupt and linked this thread. I asked if they could explain a few things. I am doubtful they will reply but you never know.

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: TonyS

This is his dream, you can't buy something if the owner will not sell it.

This, and how does one put a price on intangibles? Pixels and data are only worth what some one will pay and if it becomes useless, it's worthless.

The World Wide Web was just a DNS algorythm which caught on.

I can remember when you had to type the whole address, and even before that when you had to know the IP address. Now days many people don't even know what an IP address is, much less a routing table.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

But they know all this computer stuff is "codes".

a reply to: rollanotherone

Oh, on the contrary! Data is worth billions.

Individual scraps of data are pretty much useless, but when you start looking at really large data sets across the same medium you can start seeing trends, hence the term "trending". When a single person goes to a porn website it's just one weird guy out there. When millions of people start going to the same website, there's something to look into about why this website gets traffic when millions of others don't.

In the industry they call this "Business Intelligence" (or 'B.I.'). It answers questions like why people look at one website versus another. Those answers can be contained in things like content, advertising tactics...and all sorts of things.

This sounds like a money making scheme wrapped up in promises of “free and open internet.” Should it really be free and open anyway? People work hard to innovate new technologies - shouldn’t they get paid?

This is either a scheme or a pipe dream.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

Exactly, and any media, ie Reddit that becomes popular, it's sold out and or taken over, becoming invasive big media. It needs to stop. Maybe, if this is genuine, it can happen.

The fun part is they will learn, that the algorithms and AI, to shadow ban, remove, etc., are not full proof in going after opposition.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

Yeah , I to Miss the Days when You could Converse with the Men Stationed at the Silos in Realtime...............Hmm...

I've only read 2 pages of the thread but initial thoughts:

1) more, individual, data stores means a likely slowing down of response due to the increased telecoms transport of data,

2) This in turn may have a negative impact on take up of the Internet of Things (which is good from my perspective),

3) Searches will be a lot less comprehensive and slower (because by principle it implies individuals can choose what search access is allowed by others).

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: LookingAtMars

They have the servers.

Anyone can have a server. But it won't be for a couple of dollars a month.

I tried setting up my own private Email server on my home Linux system like I used to be able to do in the 1990's. The problem? Academics, corporations and other Internet providers have created a blacklist of IP ranges to defeat spammers. Any IP address that falls into a range of IP addresses known to be dynamically allocated is on a ban list. Thus only "official" ISP Email servers can send email. Anything else is just rejected.

originally posted by: Lightdhype
I am all for this, super interested.

But uhhhhm, where's the sauce?

I believe it is like SQL relational databases. Currently when you use Facebook, everyone puts their personal data into one giant database owned by Facebook. How the data is stored interrnally is hidden from the average user, but different users have links to each other "is-a-friend-of", "is-the-parent-of", "went-to-the-same-high-school". Facebook knows all of this.

With pods, all of that data would be in the one place on a chosen server, and you would be able to put restrictions on who could access each piece of information.

This is going to make ZERO difference in privacy, www freedom, and how outside interest makes money from users.

People will always find way to monetize and exploit the date of users.
They might have found a new angle to accessing the World Wide Web,

but....we would still have go through an ISP to access this.

If big business can’t make money from us the old fashioned way you can bet it’s the ISP that is going to implement a protocol (legally in the T&C) that would insert ads or grab your date, sell I it then let the targeted ads commence.

It’s the ISP who has the real power. When we can become our own ISP, that will truly be revolutionary
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a reply to: oriondc

People are still going to get paid. In fact if it catches on it will open up lots of new jobs in developing and IT. Read some of the links it explains that.

a reply to: RelSciHistItSufi

Maybe the new Google will be faster because it is not trying to capture as much data as it can. I use Duck Duck Go anyway.

originally posted by: Matt11
This is going to make ZERO difference in privacy, www freedom, and how outside interest makes money from users.

People will always find way to monetize and exploit the date of users.
They might have found a new angle to accessing the World Wide Web,

but....we would still have go through an ISP to access this.

If big business can’t make money from us the old fashioned way you can bet it’s the ISP that is going to implement a protocol (legally in the T&C) that would insert ads or grab your date, sell I it then let the targeted ads commence.

It’s the ISP who has the real power. When we can become our own ISP, that will truly be revolutionary
P

A VPN should stop your ISP from grabbing most of your data.

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: LookingAtMars

They have the servers.

Anyone can have a server. But it won't be for a couple of dollars a month.

I tried setting up my own private Email server on my home Linux system like I used to be able to do in the 1990's. The problem? Academics, corporations and other Internet providers have created a blacklist of IP ranges to defeat spammers. Any IP address that falls into a range of IP addresses known to be dynamically allocated is on a ban list. Thus only "official" ISP Email servers can send email. Anything else is just rejected.

At least Linux is a LOT easier to set up than it was in the 90's.

a reply to: stormcell

I have hosted web and email servers in the past. I understand the blacklist issue. Too bad it's not a complete solution. Plenty of entry spots on the net for crime today.

originally posted by: stormcell
Any IP address that falls into a range of IP addresses known to be dynamically allocated is on a ban list. Thus only "official" ISP Email servers can send email. Anything else is just rejected.

I had two email servers installed a couple of years ago, one on a fixed IP address and the other on a dynamic IP address from an ISP that was considered as not trustworthy (it allowed many things other ISPs didn't like), and I never had any problems. With an email address from the company where I work, associated with an ISP that was at the time the biggest one in Portugal (I suppose it still is, but I'm not sure, with all the changes that happened in recent years) we had a surprise of seeing it on a blocked addresses list, so we had to contact the list manager to get it delisted.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Individual scraps of data are pretty much useless, but when you start looking at really large data sets across the same medium you can start seeing trends, hence the term "trending".

Not only that, even individual scraps of data may be useful if they can be connected to other scraps, that's why European Union's GDPR talks about "identifiable persons". Connecting apparently independent pieces of data may result in important data that is not available anywhere.