Are UFOlogists Useful Idiots?

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I enjoyed your post.

Thank you for stopping by!

Yes... keep the BTUFO alive...

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

BTW.. i have a serious question for you...

In your opinion, how did a "self-educated" Ukrainian woman from the 1800's
functionally take over much of the world; and now days very few people
even realized just how powerful 'theosophy' was.. and to some degree
still is?

That's quite the trick!

Also.. you've now got me curious...

You think that we are aliens from another galaxy?

Modern science can trace from basic RNA compunds, etc, soon
after the Earth's crust cooled.. all the way to "us" with no significant
gaps in the taxonomic tree of life.

where does that leave room for being from another galaxy,
and why would that matter even if it were true?

Or are you simply saying all life on Earth is from another galaxy..
but I'd have the same question.. why would that matter in any
way?

maybe explain your position in a separate post sometime?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That seems to be the case
Though one of my early teachers use to say: “There’s some the devil don’t even want”
I guess some people are tough meat
Or that’s another way to say
Ignorance is bliss
Or I say, Ignorance is eBliss

Proverb
even aliens have rights to the idiots

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF
In your opinion, how did a "self-educated" Ukrainian woman from the 1800's
functionally take over much of the world; and now days very few people
even realized just how powerful 'theosophy' was.. and to some degree
still is?

Maybe it actually works.

originally posted by: Willtell

Proverb
even aliens have rights to the idiots

And if aliens call us idiots, we can retort that it takes one to know one.





I bet 'grave robbers from outer space' could be seduced by Greer.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
In your opinion, how did a "self-educated" Ukrainian woman from the 1800's
functionally take over much of the world; and now days very few people
even realized just how powerful 'theosophy' was.. and to some degree
still is?

That's quite the trick!

I don't think that you can call her "self-educated", her mother was sufficently literate to translate Bulwer-Lytton's novels, amongst others, which was where Blatvatsky sourced most of her ideas, so I doubt that she scrimped on her daughter's learning.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I usually do not say too much, I read and think. I have much respect for you KPB, and most posters here, your ideas have enabled me to think in new ways, which is refreshing.

how about for humans? are UFOlogists playing into the hand
of humans trying to control society?

Almost certainly. Also there is no doubt UFOlogy is being used in the perhaps ostensible game of defending national security and rivalry with adversaries. Like one of the things Luis Elizondo is emphasizing is our Govt and military do not take UFOs seriously and have no interest in studying the problem, but should because they are real. I am thinking one of these statements has to be false. If they are real, the military/intelligence must be interested. There are only 2 reasons they would not be - they are not real or the problem has been solved and everything that can be known is known about them. If indeed they are real, (I believe there is something), who do they want to think there is no interest? It might not be only the general public.

I suppose it is possible, the TTSA team, with their recovered UFO pieces, UAP videos, and stories of alien lifeforms are putting on a show for more than the relatively small percentage of the public which has an active interest in the subject. It could be this, including other UFO researchers/useful idiots, is a way to manipulate the belief we have capabilities far beyond what anyone else does, or a way to cover for something else, or just to confuse everyone.

It is known from released CIA files, the military's interest in the 1950's was how can this be weaponized. If they couldn't capture a craft, how could it be used for psychological warfare. This has probably been tested on our own personnel, which may explain some sightings. It has also been probably been used as misdirection, to bring attention to one place, to deflect attention somewhere else, which may explain Roswell.

I don't want any of this to be true, and a lot prob isn't. I am sure there is something that may not be human flying around. I have had 5 instances in my almost 59 years of seeing things that do not make sense. The useful idiots UFOlogists aren't the answer. Which is why I lurk around here, IMO most here are not useful idiots. I don't think I will every know the truth, I can only hope to know the lies.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That seems to be the case
Though one of my early teachers use to say: “There’s some the devil don’t even want”
I guess some people are tough meat
Or that’s another way to say
Ignorance is bliss
Or I say, Ignorance is eBliss

Proverb
even aliens have rights to the idiots

I want to make a political comment so bad.. but I won't.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Well Earthlings continued to film that movie, even though
Bela Lugosi had died.. by having the replacement actor
keep the cape over his face.

Thus people think that vampires like to keep capes over
their faces.

I don't know if that proves we are idiots or what.

Kev

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I star most of your posts.. for what it matters.

I like people who don't just roll over and let others
do their thinking for them.

As for "self-educated" well I shudder to tell you
where I got that phrase..

it would no doubt set off a tirade about the
internet and the quality of the information
to be found there.

(note: that comment was lifted directly from Wikipedia..
I knew some of her background by memory.. but I couldn't
remember her early life details).

So blast away!

Enjoy.

Kev

a reply to: Blue Shift

The proof of the pudding is in the eating?

a reply to: AtypicalJ

As you say, in the early days of UFOlogy, convincing Russia and later
China that we had more tech than they did.. and/or have them
chase lights in the skies rather than notice that we were trying
to implement various covert technologies and programs was
definitely true.

It would seem that there is a new phase going on more recently
however.. tied into covering for the continuing MKUltra type
activities.

I hate to sound like MM in this case.. (well no I don't.. but I still
refuse to have a kidney pie and a pint with my mates),

but the "Phenomenon" is perfect cover for continuing MKultra testing..

you know... "the Phenomenon made me do it".

And of course some of the less than a six-pack full types in
government want to be funded to 'attack the Phenomenon'
(in their mind the devil)...

In good conscience I'm not sure how much longer I can use
the word "the Phenomenon". I'm going to invent a new word.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Well Earthlings continued to film that movie, even though Bela Lugosi had died.. by having his wife's much taller chiropractor
keep the cape over his face.

Thus people think that vampires like to keep capes over their faces.

Ed Wood truly believed, in all his magnificent idiocy, that replacing Lugosi with his wife's much taller chiropractor would help consolidate his ultimate masterpiece. True awfulness only ever works entertainingly when an idiot is in absolute denial of their own innate stupidity. As opposed to mega-budget, committee-scripted badness.

Hang on, Kev - Ed Wood leading the way for capes over vampires' faces? Did such a terrible 1959 movie really set up that trend? But you know, I think you're right - I'm a secret film buff and cannot recall it happening before 1959. Consider me jaw-dropped.


"Vun can count on Kev for ze best trivia!"



Oh well, let's get back on the topic of useful UFO idiocy...

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

So, which sci fi movie made in 1956 had a powerful effect on the
psyche of theosophists and MIC fringe thinkers alike?

Hint: Look for Leslie Nielsen.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: olaru12
UFOs are just the bait for something bordering on mystical religious surrealism; patterned so the primitive 5 senses can understand it.

Are you saying that we are useful idiots for that something?

how about for humans? are UFOlogists playing into the hand
of humans trying to control society?

That was the question.

Most UFOlogist have no idea what they are talking about. It's just TTSA wrapped up in a different package; doing business the American way...

The entire subject and most involved are so intellectually dysfunctional or outright dishonest, agenda driven, and programmed by idiots interested only in control.

a reply to: olaru12

I can't argue against that!

A few original thinkers always wind up setting the pace..
and their powerful memes exponentially move through
the centuries.. having the power to create something
from NOTHING or almost nothing.

Man’s ego tells him he’s special.
The aliens want to save us
Yeah sure…

But in reality, all this may be aliens testing their psychic powers. Little alien students coming to the earth using humans as guinea pigs.

Indeed, they beam on down to earth in one of those speedy crafts through a wormhole or antigravity machine, catch some sap and his girlfriend in a Cadillac going down Malibu, swoop down and paralyze her in the car, beam the guy on up to the spacecraft, plug some items up his parts to simulate a test environment and preach to him about the dangers of nuclear war, you know all the known alien abduction platitudes, and then beam him back down to his sleeping woman in the car—missing time and all...Thereby getting to practice his growing psychic powers at the same time traumatizing the guy and gal for life.

I would call that idiot usage

Obviously, their good at what they do, since I have yet to hear about any abductees ever being dropped on the ground while being beamed up to the craft.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

So, which sci fi movie made in 1956 had a powerful effect on the
psyche of theosophists and MIC fringe thinkers alike?

Hint: Look for Leslie Nielsen.

Awww, one of my all-time favourites, 'Forbidden Planet' - and far more entertaining than its Shakespeare source, 'The Tempest'. Today, its exploration of the Id is still a startling development for the predominantly pulpy 50s sci-fi film scene. Thoughtful, complex ideas mixed in with a cuddly robot, 50s brassieres, and Walter Pidgeon hamming it up like a true pro having the time of his life!

Pair it up with Don Siegel's 'Invasion Of The Body Snatchers' the same year, and movie sci-fi suddenly 'grew up' overnight.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Ah.... a kindred spirit!

You know.. one of the "aviary" thinks that movie
explains the 'great pyramid at Giza'

memes are a many edged sword.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thank you for the reply Kev and giving me more to think about, I am always learning. IMO yourself and the many other great minds here is our best chance at figuring this all out.

I agree, money/funding MKultra and other programs they do not want to talk about has to be part of the puzzle.