originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: one4all
There have been a few good studies of the brains of killers and nobody needed 'rusty butter knives.' Side by comparisons with 'normal' brains and
convicted murderer's brains show significant differences. They have less activity up front where a lot of higher level social thinking occurs.
Murderers act differently to the gen pop because their brains aren't like the rest of us.
It's a can of worms. Objectively, serial killers are victims of their own misshapen brains. Are they still accountable for their actions? Should they
be imprisoned for life to protect society based on their stunted brains? Would it be wrong to scan young adults and weed out all the potential
murderers from the gene pool? I'd say yes it is wrong, but it's still a can of worms.
I believe the representation of these studies to be biased in our convo….there is certainly a defined group of killers who display commonalities in
terms of unusual brain functions and pathologies...many things are root causality of these unusual brain profiles from Post-Concussion Syndrome which
can happen to even infants with later life impacts and implications related to violence in thought and actions....there are crack babies and fetal
alcohol babies and babies whose moms took prescription drugs during term and shaken abused babies and thousands of other potential scenarios around
which abnormal brain development and function can be polarised.
Brain scans are not definitive when it comes to defining causality...they are only generic markers....represented as diagnostic results...there are
also many people who display these symptomatic brain dysfunctions intermittently.
These studies are very very limited in scope and in value IMHO....such a small number of cases from very specific study groups have been used as
weighted factors that the studies are self-defeating....unless we can do studies on a larger number or brains of violent criminals and attatch
accurate true causality to their individual cases,then parse together a valid pattern-based study....we cannot give much credence to these IMHO small
special interest group catalysed studies.
I agree that the abnormal findings have value...however until we can find ways to ACCURATELY DEFINE CAUSALITY of each and every so-called abnormal
finding we are not gleaning any data of true value in terms of remediation potentials.
Murderes brains may or may not have been like everyone elses...and unless we have cases where full scope brain scans have been done at defined
developmental intervals so we may do a pre and post-murder comparative study....our results will be skewed by proxy.....yes we can say definitively
that in some limited post-crime studies findings show that there is a high propensity for diminished brain activity and function in a common thread
area or areas....in actuality we arent even sure that the trauma of committing these types of crimes and the aftermath does not in some ways damage
these brain functions...much is still to be learned.
I do not personally think that diminished or damaged brain function is the driver behind murder in the majority of cases where post-crime analysis of
brain scans shows results interpreted as abnormalities... there are millions and millions of people with diminished brain function and capacity in
these exact same areas who do not ever commit violent crimes...
I will refer to a common practice in my Country....if you are a Senior person and have say a stroke which causes you to lose a significant amout of
ability to live a normal life....you may have to foot the bill for all of your own care which means your spouse and estate must absorb these immense
costs....owever...if you have a smart sympathetic Dr. he/she will simply do a brain scan of your 85 year old brain and then identify areas of
diminished function and capability in the diagnostic results and then come to a finding that you have say dementia...in which case even though you
really had a stroke and should be paying your own bills until you nd your Senior Spouse are broke and homeless and destitute you will now be covered
by the Government for all costs...you wil be subsidised.
I am trying to show how generic these diagnostic brain scan type findings really are if you cannot with 100% surety define causality.
We are on the right path...but far from any conclusive usable findings.
I grew up in an environment where killing was a necessary part of life...killing is killing...it is a decision...I killed for food or meat when I
butchered domestic animals ....I killed for meat when I hunted wild animals...I killed for profit when I killed problem animals including predators
and disruptive pets to protect my herd of cattle and other types of livestock....killing and violence is in no way connected to brain
development....what has been uploaded into these lower functioning brains is what is faulty and what catalyses these decisions...it is the emotional
component of the crimes which is relevant....and this emotonal component may or may not be NORMAL....if billions of normal brained people make the
decisions to kill including people for various reasons...how much weight can we give to the excuse that violent criminals act out due to brain
abnormalities....how much weight do these studies of very generic diagnostic results really carry...IMHO not much....yet...much work is still to be
Truth be told...if we can demand fingerprints and DNA from convicted criminals we should be able to demand brain scans and if we do this then we have
the basis for the beginnings of what could be a relevant study....you see we need to see how many people who DO NOT commit violent crimes but end up
in jail have these same diagnostic markers....and then we need an equally numbered study of volunteer normal non-criminal brain scans to add to the
study.....the connection between diagnostic markers and emotional impacts must be accurately and fully realised and documented....we may discover
patterns of non-criminal behaviours in a large segment of the population who walk around every day with these same diagnostic markers
present.....there is much to be learned.
edit on 22-9-2018 by one4all because: (no reason given)