Manafort Pleads Guilty and Will Cooperate With Muller

originally posted by: Gandalf77

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gandalf77

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Wayfarer

Dispute any of the points with facts. We're paying less in taxes, aren't presently involved in any wars for the first time in decades, witnessing a tremendous economy and job market, defending our borders, and holding traditional Americanism above progressive globalist garbage. Aside from my SCOTUS comment, can you actually say any of that isn't accurate?

What do you call Afghanistan? A friendly disagreement?

We have troops there working on training Afghan security details and personnel. It is the definition of a peacekeeping mission, not a war at this point.

Sorry, but ever since we sent "advisors" to Viet Nam no one is allowed to try and sell that BS.

That was before the Vietnam war, this is happening after the primary war fighting has ceased, huge difference.

Taliban still be killing our guys. Hardly what I would call peaceful.

The numbers you're talking about are less than a single weekend day murder count for some major US cities... Is Chicago a warzone to you now?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gandalf77

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Wayfarer

Dispute any of the points with facts. We're paying less in taxes, aren't presently involved in any wars for the first time in decades, witnessing a tremendous economy and job market, defending our borders, and holding traditional Americanism above progressive globalist garbage. Aside from my SCOTUS comment, can you actually say any of that isn't accurate?

What do you call Afghanistan? A friendly disagreement?

We have troops there working on training Afghan security details and personnel. It is the definition of a peacekeeping mission, not a war at this point.

Sorry, but ever since we sent "advisors" to Viet Nam no one is allowed to try and sell that BS.

That was before the Vietnam war, this is happening after the primary war fighting has ceased, huge difference.

Right, cuz Trump Doesn't have trainers and advisors in Syria?

No idea whether this administration kept the advisers Bush and Obama put in Syria there or not.

2000+ is the answer you were looking for with "no idea".

taskandpurpose.com...

The missile strike on the Shayrat Airbase conducted by the U.S. on 7 April 2017, was the first time the US has become a deliberate direct combatant against the Syrian government,[120] and marked the start of a series of deliberate direct military action by the U.S. military against the Syrian government′s and pro-government forces in May–June 2017 and February 2018.

...

In mid-January 2018, the Trump administration indicated that it intended to maintain an open-ended military presence in Syria to counter Iran′s influence and oust Syrian president Bashar Assad.[122] In early September 2018 the United States started to implement a new strategy that indefinitely extends the military effort and launches a major diplomatic push to achieve American objectives in Syria.

en.wikipedia.org...

You don't appear sufficiently informed to opine on the issue.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gandalf77

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gandalf77

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Wayfarer

Dispute any of the points with facts. We're paying less in taxes, aren't presently involved in any wars for the first time in decades, witnessing a tremendous economy and job market, defending our borders, and holding traditional Americanism above progressive globalist garbage. Aside from my SCOTUS comment, can you actually say any of that isn't accurate?

What do you call Afghanistan? A friendly disagreement?

We have troops there working on training Afghan security details and personnel. It is the definition of a peacekeeping mission, not a war at this point.

Sorry, but ever since we sent "advisors" to Viet Nam no one is allowed to try and sell that BS.

That was before the Vietnam war, this is happening after the primary war fighting has ceased, huge difference.

Taliban still be killing our guys. Hardly what I would call peaceful.

The numbers you're talking about are less than a single weekend day murder count for some major US cities... Is Chicago a warzone to you now?

Wait a second.

You just said Trump was responsible for
"the most peaceful period in this country in the last 2 decades,"

Which is it?

Cuz it isn't measured in Military Deaths. trump reversed trend there with 2017.
And now you are bitching about murder rates.

Where do you come up with ""the most peaceful period in this country in the last 2 decades"????

Most peaceful in two decades not counting foreign or domestic American deaths?

It doesnt seem as if Manafort pled guilty to anything involving trump and russia in the 2016 campaign.

Most of this seems to be crimes from before he was trumps campaign chair.

However, certainly this deal could lead to manafort having dirt on trump.

Again, I say, if trump committed a crime, he should be held accountable.

Manafort may also have dirt on other people, such as the Podesta group, Mercury llc, etc. SO he could implicate a wide variety of people.

This article mentions him possibly implicating podesta, mercury, or Obama white house counsel greg craig.
www.zerohedge.com...

Hopefully if that is the case, these people are gone after as vigorously as Manafort has been gone after, and they may flip on even more people.

Foreign lobbying is systemic and has been going on unchecked for years, and it needs to be rooted out.

SO I am all for Manafort possibly leading to others that have committed crimes.

However, we should note that manafort was looking at a lot of prison time, so he has incentive to blame others, and may not be telling the truth, no matter who he accuses.

So we should want to see evidence beyond just his word, no matter who he implicates, rather it be someone close to trump or hillary or anyone else.

a reply to: soberbacchus

You're moving the goalposts. We went from talking about advisers to now talking about a force actively persuing the ISIS islamic terrorists the US helped arm and mobilize 8 years ago.

CNN (bleck) reporting Obama white house counsel Greg Craig may also be indicted.

Federal prosecutors in New York are considering criminal charges against Greg Craig, a former Obama White House counsel, as part of a investigation into whether he failed to register as a foreign agent, sources told CNN Friday.

The charges are linked to a probe into Paul Manafort, the former campaign chairman to President Trump, CNN reported, citing people familiar with the matter.

thehill.com...

Lets hope his home is raided in the middle of the night and his finances from decades back are gone into, and if any crimes are found he too is threatened with a huge prison sentence.

maybe then he would try to flip on bigger fish like Obama for a deal.

I mean, that how this is done, right?

a reply to: kurthall

To those eho say CNN necer posts bas things sbout democrats.

www.cnn.com...

He was involved with the Obama adminstration if he broke the law, I want him brought up on charges.

a reply to: soberbacchus

I would like to borrow a phrase.

So much gold there but the above is precious. 

I suppose the White House pool of interns is off limits now. And since Trump doesn't smoke, no cigars readily available.

tradition, like a President banging porn-stars 

And the Oval Office is used for tweeting now, and not dilly dilly

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
It made me laugh when just before the news Manafort had forfeited $46 million in assets Trump was banging on about the investigation had cost $20 million. Mueller is now in credit to the tune of $26 million.

lol.

"I love it!!!"

~Donald Trump, Jr.

After a jury found Manafort guilty.

How does he now plead guilty ?

There's no plea deals after a trial.

originally posted by: neo96
After a jury found Manafort guilty.

How does he now plead guilty ?

There's no plea deals after a trial.

There are two different trials. The first one was federal charges. Remember the one Mueller sent to NY?

(that was because a President can't pardon state charges.)

a reply to: Grambler

My God they're gunna bring down the Obama Legacy !!!

What a "boomerang moment" 😃

The whole thing is a fireship !!

🛎

a reply to: angeldoll

That's a nice 5th amendment violation.

'Tried' for the same so called crime twice.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Seriously? We're going to play this game now? How about this as a measurement...
en.wikipedia.org...

From 9/11 to the end of 2016, the US started 35 individual major military actions, wars, or strikes. We've had a total of 2 since Trump took office, both involving air strikes on Syria. These are not continuations of active military operations (which, by the way are a really, really bad idea to just "cut off" from immediately. Despite piss poor decisions by prior administrations to start the action, once it begins it needs a proper close out or the mission actually becomes a huge liability and safety risk for the country and our interests.)

We're down into the 30+/- troop death per year numbers, which means a single incident can heavily skew numbers. The country as a whole would be fairly peaceful if not for liberal appeasement policy run amok in #holes like Chicago, St Louis, Detroit, and Baltimore. Those are local matters, however, not federal... thus not part of this equation. This has been a more peaceful 2 years than the 15 years prior were, I don't see a window for successful argument against that fact.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Grambler

My God they're gunna bring down the Obama Legacy !!!

What a "boomerang moment" 😃

The whole thing is a fireship !!

🛎

That's so stupid it's almost sweet. You are like a little puppy, always wagging it's tail and being overly optimistic.
It's almost endearing. The naïve I mean.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: angeldoll

That's a nice 5th amendment violation.

'Tried' for the same so called crime twice.

I don't think so. He committed crimes against the state of NY, so it's within their jurisdiction. (Not sure what, probably tax evasion, I'll go look).

Oh yeah, it's confusing and complicated.

Mueller’s moves may make strategic sense because of a shadow hanging over the entire investigation: the potential that President Donald Trump might use his presidential pardon power to protect possible accomplices in potential crimes.

Mueller knows that Trump can pardon Manafort (or any defendant) in order to relieve the pressure to cooperate with Mueller and to keep them quiet. But Mueller also knows that presidential pardons affect only federal crimes and not state-level crimes. On the one hand, double jeopardy rules under the Fifth Amendment prevent a second prosecution for the same crime, but the doctrine of dual sovereignty allows a state to follow a federal prosecution (and vice versa). So in theory, Manafort and Papadopoulos can’t rely on Trump’s pardons to save them even after a conviction or a guilty plea.


But in practice, state rules can expand double jeopardy protections and limit prosecutions. In fact, New York is such a state. New York is the key state for Mueller because New York has jurisdiction over many alleged or potentially uncovered Trump–Russia crimes (conspiracy to hack/soliciting stolen goods/money laundering, etc.), and New York state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and New York district attorneys are not politically constrained from pursuing charges.

www.slate.com...

Manafort, 69, pleaded guilty to participating in a conspiracy against the United States — involving money laundering, tax fraud, failing to file Foreign Bank Account Reports, violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act, and lying and misrepresenting to the Department of Justice.

The only charges that can be filed are federal.

New York isn't the GD federal government.

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: angeldoll

That's a nice 5th amendment violation.

'Tried' for the same so called crime twice.

I don't think so. He committed crimes against the state of NY, so it's within their jurisdiction. (Not sure what, probably tax evasion, I'll go look).

Statute of limitations has run out.

mueller had 18 counts against him and jury only dealt with 8 of those so there were 10 charges pending on a federal level.

originally posted by: Grambler

However, we should note that manafort was looking at a lot of prison time, so he has incentive to blame others, and may not be telling the truth, no matter who he accuses.

So we should want to see evidence beyond just his word, no matter who he implicates, rather it be someone close to trump or hillary or anyone else.

You make a good point about the trustworthiness of people who cut plea deals. From what I’ve read, prosecutors are understandably cautious about making deals like this. Credibility is a huge issue for obvious reasons. In this case, Manafort has already demonstrated a propensity for dishonesty. Plea deals with characters like him have the potential to bring an entire case down. The prosecution has to be extraordinarily careful about corroboration, verification, etc.

a reply to: angeldoll

Doesn't really matter does it.

Your heroes Obama and Hillary are already down the tubes.

Loretta Lynch is coming up along with dozens of other zer0Bamas.

The fireship is approaching the Harbor.

💥Super😃Nova💥