Kerry Meeting With Iran to Salvage Nuke Deal With Rogue Diplomacy

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: proteus33

I get the feeling that there is more to the story than you account for.

He is not authorized to negotiate on behalf of the usa nor has he claimed to be an official representing the usa.

Therefore he is free to talk. Many call it freedom.

Wrong; it is a violation of a federal statute: "The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. Logan Act - Wikipedia"

At the very least his security clearance, which he probably still has, should be revoked.

a reply to: manta78

Funny how the wording of the logan act keeps changing every time some post it in this thread.

On previous pages i answered the flaws in the statement that the logan act can be used against citizens. It can not but the msm can surely use it to garner outrage.

George Logan was an elected official when he went across the pond and he was never convicted under the act cause it was not enacted until after he got home. He later went on serving in government.

The act is for officials that do not follow the chain of command when dealing with other countries and that is why it has not been used successfully in the past.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

WHO Elected the Mullah's ?

a reply to: xuenchen

Yes that is what had me worried FF as I did not really want to mention it! So many angles most bad well I can't think of a good one. Stop nukes or war...probably help the chances of both more than not instead!

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: manta78

Funny how the wording of the logan act keeps changing every time some post it in this thread.

On previous pages i answered the flaws in the statement that the logan act can be used against citizens. It can not but the msm can surely use it to garner outrage.

George Logan was an elected official when he went across the pond and he was never convicted under the act cause it was not enacted until after he got home. He later went on serving in government.

The act is for officials that do not follow the chain of command when dealing with other countries and that is why it has not been used successfully in the past.

You may want to read this from the official statute, especially the part about how it DOES apply to citizens:

"The statute, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953, now reads as follows:

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

"This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects."

a reply to: manta78

Maybe he was thinking of the Hatch act which applies to unauthorized federal officials.

Kerry is a Skull and Bones-man. Mess with one of them and you have to mess with them all.

Kerry thinks he is untouchable.
Maybe that is why he is blatantly violating national security laws at Nobama's behest, and without any regard for lawful due process-which is something Obama wasn't well known for observing in any situation anyways. John Kerry is putting America's enemies first. Like NoBama does.

originally posted by: incoserv
Does the Logan Act not apply here?

It doesn't apply to those with a D by their names.

For everyone else it does.

originally posted by: manta78

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: manta78

Funny how the wording of the logan act keeps changing every time some post it in this thread.

On previous pages i answered the flaws in the statement that the logan act can be used against citizens. It can not but the msm can surely use it to garner outrage.

George Logan was an elected official when he went across the pond and he was never convicted under the act cause it was not enacted until after he got home. He later went on serving in government.

The act is for officials that do not follow the chain of command when dealing with other countries and that is why it has not been used successfully in the past.

You may want to read this from the official statute, especially the part about how it DOES apply to citizens:

"The statute, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953, now reads as follows:

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

"This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects."

Thanks

Kinda seems like the two sections dismantle each other.

It is as if the code does not exist.

All kerry has to claim is emotional stress or damage of some type then he has the right to talk to iran.

good thing he didn't talk to Russia. Someone would be yelling for him to be impeached; except that he isn't an elected official. Or trump

Why isn't this asshole in jail?

He's undermining US diplomacy efforts by actively working against us.

Kerry needs prison.

a reply to: projectvxn

Kerry committed the same crime as manafort and will be treated the same as manafort. This is breaking news.

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a reply to: howtonhawky

He has the right to sue them, not negotiate a treaty.

a reply to: howtonhawky


Maybe John Kerry will be the first to be punished. First time for everything. Especially with Donald Trump in charge.

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: howtonhawky

He has the right to sue them, not negotiate a treaty.

Both are a remedy. So it can be argued that he has both rights.

It is super weak sauce to try to use this law in the pursuit of justice.

If the guy is meddling or interfering in gov. affairs then there are more clear cut laws that would not be so easily challenged.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: howtonhawky


Maybe John Kerry will be the first to be punished. First time for everything. Especially with Donald Trump in charge.

No the wording is too vague unless it is a kangaroo court.

The are more better laws that could be used if the goal was to shut him up or stop him.

It is clear this is just msm fodder designed to gain outrage and not justice.

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: howtonhawky

He has the right to sue them, not negotiate a treaty.

Both are a remedy. So it can be argued that he has both rights.

It is super weak sauce to try to use this law in the pursuit of justice.

If the guy is meddling or interfering in gov. affairs then there are more clear cut laws that would not be so easily challenged.

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

Looks pretty clear to me.

"Both are a remedy. So it can be argued that he has both rights."

Yes but only in your mind. He does not have the right to influence foreign govts at cross purposes with the current administration.

a reply to: toms54

Lawyers would do the same and win.

That is a reason the law does not get used with success.

I don't even know what to do anymore. Intelligence sources are all compromised...can't trust any sources after seeing the deliberate and disgusting intentions of Google and other large organizations who can effectively manipulate the data available to ordinary citizens....

John Kerry says he wasn't "negotiating" so there was no violation. He doesn't deny meeting with Iranian officials on multiple occasions though. Where and how do we, the ordinary citizens, get reliable information on what actually transpired? How do we know what was or was not discussed?

Moreover, there's also rumor of deeper Iranian connections between Kerry and Former Minister Javad Zarif... allegations that Zarifs son was best man at Kerrys daughters wedding. Obviously this is denied by Kerrys daughter and other sources like Snopes...but again, HOW DO WE VERIFY THIS? I can't even seem to locate a source which will give me the name of Zarifs son....

The only thing for certain is that the corruption runs deep...damn near to the bottom. About the only guy I trust anymore is Gowdy......

Edit to add: Finally found an outside source(Israeli news site) stating Mahdi Zarif as the son. Now I'm on the impossible mission to find a picture of the damn guy lol....

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