Now the Dems are bribing people for their votes.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: DJW001

you don't understand what BAMN is do you?

No. Please explain.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: network dude

End lobbying. This happens everyday

agreed.

Pff.

You people expecting the lefties to admit they're breaking the law.

Never happened, never will. The law does not apply to them. Know that.

a reply to: Justoneman

Certainly I understand the need to cheat to win.

That makes you a cheater, doesn't it? I have never understood why people would do that.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: network dude

End lobbying. This happens everyday

agreed.

So do I. So what's your point? Oh: DEMOCRATS BAD!

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: introvert

So if I understand you right, this is acceptable behavior and just fine to do business like this?

This isn't business. This is politics.

Are you trying to say that it is immoral to support a politicians campaign, or support someone that runs against them, based on their voting record as a politician?

That is very interesting and creates a huge slippery slope.

a reply to: DJW001

By Any Means Necessary.


unitybamn.com...

It's a group that believes that even if you have to smash someone with a bike lock, it's cool, because you are fighting for the "correct" side.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: introvert

So if I understand you right, this is acceptable behavior and just fine to do business like this?

This isn't business. This is politics.

Are you trying to say that it is immoral to support a politicians campaign, or support someone that runs against them, based on their voting record as a politician?

That is very interesting and creates a huge slippery slope.

is politics not a business? Are you saying this is acceptable behavior?

Does anyone think pharma does this? Like with opiod manufacturers? How about paying politicians to keep cannabis illegal? The reason hemp is illegal is from a "bribe" from a paper manufacturer.

Let's fix the problem not the symptom.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: DJW001

By Any Means Necessary.


unitybamn.com...

It's a group that believes that even if you have to smash someone with a bike lock, it's cool, because you are fighting for the "correct" side.

en.wikipedia.org...

Are you arguing about the morality/legality of smashing someone with a bike lock, or the morality/legality of supporting/not supporting a politician based on their record?

I sense the goalposts have been moved just a touch.

originally posted by: luthier
Does anyone think pharma does this? Like with opiod manufacturers? How about paying politicians to keep cannabis illegal? The reason hemp is illegal is from a "bribe" from a paper manufacturer.

Let's fix the problem not the symptom.

is this wrong, or acceptable? If you are saying it needs fixed, it almost looks like you are saying its wrong.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: DJW001

By Any Means Necessary.


unitybamn.com...

It's a group that believes that even if you have to smash someone with a bike lock, it's cool, because you are fighting for the "correct" side.

en.wikipedia.org...

Are you arguing about the morality/legality of smashing someone with a bike lock, or the morality/legality of supporting/not supporting a politician based on their record?

I sense the goalposts have been moved just a touch.

Do you know what BAMN is?

a reply to: network dude

is politics not a business?

It can be, of course, but you are not arguing about something rooted in business principle or ethics. You are discussing something related to individual freedoms and it's relation to the continuance of democracy.

Literally, the argument you are making is that it is immoral for people to support people they want to support based on the politicians voting record.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude

is politics not a business?

It can be, of course, but you are not arguing about something rooted in business principle or ethics. You are discussing something related to individual freedoms and it's relation to the continuance of democracy.

Literally, the argument you are making is that it is immoral for people to support people they want to support based on the politicians voting record.

Is this the correct way to do this, or is this wrong?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: introvert

So if I understand you right, this is acceptable behavior and just fine to do business like this?

This isn't business. This is politics.

Are you trying to say that it is immoral to support a politicians campaign, or support someone that runs against them, based on their voting record as a politician?

That is very interesting and creates a huge slippery slope.

is politics not a business? Are you saying this is acceptable behavior?

Politics should not be a business. Office holders are not supposed to profit from their service. Even the appearance of rectitude has been thrown out the window by the swamp creature in the White House.

a reply to: network dude

Of coarse it's wrong. But not because these people did what every lobbyist does. It's wrong because we are becoming an oligarchy because of lobby power in legislation. Or a corprotacracy.

I think this is less wrong than one company doing the same thing if it's a mass of voter contributions.

The system is wrong not the circumstance. They are operating how influential lobbyist operate in the system that is in effect.

This is not an unusual example and as other point out is similar to the NRA.

Maybe they didn't the correct paperwork?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: DJW001

By Any Means Necessary.


unitybamn.com...

It's a group that believes that even if you have to smash someone with a bike lock, it's cool, because you are fighting for the "correct" side.

en.wikipedia.org...

Are you arguing about the morality/legality of smashing someone with a bike lock, or the morality/legality of supporting/not supporting a politician based on their record?

I sense the goalposts have been moved just a touch.

Do you know what BAMN is?

Stop moving the goalposts.

Are you going to address the underlying principle at work here, or are you going to appeal to logical fallacies by going after the group involved?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude

is politics not a business?

It can be, of course, but you are not arguing about something rooted in business principle or ethics. You are discussing something related to individual freedoms and it's relation to the continuance of democracy.

Literally, the argument you are making is that it is immoral for people to support people they want to support based on the politicians voting record.

Is this the correct way to do this, or is this wrong?

If by "this" you mean take the approach of a pigeon on a chessboard in order to deflect...I would say you got it just right.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: DJW001

By Any Means Necessary.


unitybamn.com...

It's a group that believes that even if you have to smash someone with a bike lock, it's cool, because you are fighting for the "correct" side.

en.wikipedia.org...

Are you arguing about the morality/legality of smashing someone with a bike lock, or the morality/legality of supporting/not supporting a politician based on their record?

I sense the goalposts have been moved just a touch.

Do you know what BAMN is?

Stop moving the goalposts.

Are you going to address the underlying principle at work here, or are you going to appeal to logical fallacies by going after the group involved?

I'm not, it was a conversation that didn't include you, yet you want so badly to be involved. If you really want to talk about it, I'd need to know you understand what it is. He did not. Drama queen much?

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: introvert

So if I understand you right, this is acceptable behavior and just fine to do business like this?

This isn't business. This is politics.

Are you trying to say that it is immoral to support a politicians campaign, or support someone that runs against them, based on their voting record as a politician?

That is very interesting and creates a huge slippery slope.

is politics not a business? Are you saying this is acceptable behavior?

Politics should not be a business. Office holders are not supposed to profit from their service. Even the appearance of rectitude has been thrown out the window by the swamp creature in the White House.

is this some whataboutism to justify this behavior since Trump is orange?