The Mid Term Elections... my perspective.

a reply to: JBurns

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originally posted by: kaylaluv

Some of those 50% are the very rich who got tons of tax shelters and tax write offs, to the point that they paid very little taxes. It may be legal, but it’s not okay.

Maybe some, and I agree we need to continue to fix, but this wasn't a Trump thing

Ha, ha - we had 100% immigration at the beginning of this country! You can’t get more than that! The fact is, it is more expensive and takes longer to become a citizen now then it ever has before in our history.

We are at 14.3% today, since 1850 we have only seen 14% 3 times 1870, 1890, 1910...and now is the 4th, so what are you talking about....

originally posted by: Xtrozero



We are at 14.3% today, since 1850 we have only seen 14% 3 times 1870, 1890, 1910...and now is the 4th, so what are you talking about....

Our history goes back before 1850 you know... Other than the indigenous people (who actually also immigrated here thousands of years ago), how many people living here in the 1500’s immigrated here from somewhere else? And you didn’t address my main point, which was it is harder now then ever before to immigrate here legally. Waaaay harder than it was in 1870. You came over on a boat, and a doctor gave you a quick check to make sure you didn’t have a horrible disease. That’s it. Hell, they didn’t even get your name right half the time. You gave them a foreign name, and they Americanized it on the paperwork, cuz they didn’t know how to spell it. Most of these immigrants were poor as church mice, and they didn’t speak English. Still, it was easier for them to come and live/work/raise families here.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Xtrozero



We are at 14.3% today, since 1850 we have only seen 14% 3 times 1870, 1890, 1910...and now is the 4th, so what are you talking about....

Our history goes back before 1850 you know... Other than the indigenous people (who actually also immigrated here thousands of years ago), how many people living here in the 1500’s immigrated here from somewhere else? And you didn’t address my main point, which was it is harder now then ever before to immigrate here legally.

Come on give me a break you know what I mean...I'm not going to debate crossing the Bering strait as a form of immigration. Harder or easier we are still at the highest percent since 1850, so are you suggesting that isn't enough?

Waaaay harder than it was in 1870. You came over on a boat, and a doctor gave you a quick check to make sure you didn’t have a horrible disease. That’s it. Hell, they didn’t even get your name right half the time. You gave them a foreign name, and they Americanized it on the paperwork, cuz they didn’t know how to spell it. Most of these immigrants were poor as church mice, and they didn’t speak English. Still, it was easier for them to come and live/work/raise families here.

Not going to debate 1800s either when the population was 10% what it is today. What is a good number for you BTW? Should we look to grow to a billion? I'm not being snarky here, what do you see as a good percentage of our population for a healthy environment if 14% is not enough.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Yes, they sometimes can legally work the system to pay lower rates than others. However, you didn't address my actual point which is they're still paying more money (handing over more dollars) than the average person even at the lower rate. Many, many times the average middle class earner in fact.

Lets say an individual is paying 40% on $10,000. $4000.00 goes to the government in the form of taxes.
Lets say a high earner is paying 30% on $100,000. $30,000.00 goes to the government in the form of taxes.

In the above example, the high earner pays $26,000.00 more than the lower earner. Those numbers are purely for example, and the actual figures show a much larger disparity.

So while their rate is sometimes lower (depending on the tax code, deductions, tax status, etc) they are still paying for more in taxes to the government. IE: they are being separated from far more money than the average middle class earner. Expecting them to pay any more money (or anyone else for that matter) is ridiculous... when you're in such a debt crisis/significant tax burden the only solution is to grossly reduce spending.

Forcing the rich to separate with even more of their rightfully earned money is not acceptable. What ever happened to "equality"? I see that word only matters when it is used to attack somebody

a reply to: Lumenari

Interesting Thoughts . My take on the Mid Term Elections is .....Anyone Voting for a Democrat Needs to have His or Her Head Examined . Am I Wrong >?

a reply to: ErrorErrorError

I don't see any Trump voters worried.

The "blue wave" is nothing more than a talking point. What agenda is your party running on? What would the blue wave even do for Americans if it were to happen? That's the problem, the Democrats have spent the last 2 years focusing on divisive wedge issues and parroting totally unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about Russia in order to personally attack Trump.

But the average American doesn't give a hoot about any of that stuff. They want to know what each party is going to do for them, and how it will improve their own lives in a noticeable and positive way. Trump is doing a great job, and he's showing what he can and will do. Better economy, lower unemployment, higher growth, stock market records, strong military, keeping your word, etc. Democrats have not spent any noticeable time talking about policy and instead intend to run again on "We're not Donald Trump" "We hate Donald Trump" and sometimes "Socialism is the future"

The GOP is anything but perfect. As a former Dem I can say my initial impression was merely "lesser of 2 evils." But I've since seen first hand how much better our people and our economy are doing, and feel a sense of positive future outlook for the first time since Clinton's first win (he had a great economy)

Anyhow, would be nice to have an intelligent discussion on the issues instead of indefensible generalizations

a reply to: JBurns

Their rate should not be lower. Period. I don’t feel too sorry for them not being able to buy that second yacht because they had the same tax rate as the middle class.

Americans have more debt than ever before, but we're supposed to believe that we're better off? Trump gave the wealthy and privileged gigantic tax cuts, and to pay for it they are planing to decimiate social security, medicare and medicaid after the midterms if they are still in power. It will be the final nail in the coffin for the lower classes in America. Oh, and Trump is poisoning people with his stupid deregulation and is going to add methane pollution now to the mix.

Why anyone would vote for a corrupt, fascist, racist, crime lord is beyond me.

a reply to: CB328

Don't Worry , the National Debt Will be Payed Off After We are All Dead . Enjoy , Life is Short....

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Lumenari

The midterm elections. . . my perspective.

Hate is a powerful tool, it's a great vehicle for a message. Any message.


Dress up an unpopular aspect of an ideology, sell it with irrational hate and "ta-daaa!" you got you higher taxes, your fewer freedoms passed.

If there ever was a time to discuss rational election outcomes, those days have long passed.


We're not dealing with rational thinking any more.

Sure, the economy is better, unemployment is down, taxes are lower, more people are working and earning more, government restrictions are fewer.


Those are all metrics that are easily understood and measured.


But no one deals with that any more.

Trump is a Russian!

Kavanaugh will kill women!

The republicans just gave you scraps!


We're dealing with people who think it's okay to knock down statues, oppose differing views with violence, those who laud communism and bigger government, those who applaud corrupt DOJ, FBI, IRS officials.

And their message is working because we have a media that is almost entirely ideologically driven.


Truth, honesty, integrity are just hard words on a crossword puzzle.

My opinion is that the leftists will win the midterms, hate will continue on both sides, because that is what DC wants.


If we're too busy killing ourselves, we can't burn down DC.

Nothing will change. For a brief moment in time I had hopes with Trump, but the leftist ideology is too entrenched in DC. They made a mistake by letting Trump win. They won't make that same mistake again.

Your pessimism is understandable. When you are standing at the bottom of a well with no apparent handholds to climb up with, It can seem impossible to get out of the situation you are in. But, the worm has turned and the calcified structures that have been erected by the the globalist institutions over the last 50 years are crumbling. There is ample evidence of this in the US and around the world the great awakening has begun, the genie is out of the bottle. Look at Brittan, Sweden, Hungary. Austria on and on. People want to point to Trump as a catalyst for this but he is just a functionary of happenstance. Even if Hillary had won, the unfolding may have been delayed, but the deluge would have come none the less. We are at a monumental inflection point in world history. Be encouraged by what is happening, the deep state, the media, the corporate demagogues are being exposed for what the are, instruments to steal your freedoms and dignity. We have become aware and there is no changing that, no going back. The parable of Plato's Cave is the perfect metaphor for what has happened. The pace will pick up from here and there will be a better day, but first there will be pain. Be prepared for that, but there is now reason to be hopeful. Don't let them steal your freedoms and way of life.

a reply to: bladerunner44



Thank you. Well stated.

a reply to: kaylaluv

I'm not saying I feel sorry for them either, On that we agree. Just playing devil's advocate and demonstrating they do pay considerably more (at a sometimes lower rate).

Something has got to give, the government in general overpays for products and money seems mismanaged. I remember Rumsfeld talking about trillions of dollars missing from the Pentagon in Aug or Sept of 2001. Lower taxes would stimulate our economy significantly. More Americans would be spending more money and incurring less debt. Some would break the vicious cycle of predatory payday lending while others could make actual headway on student loan debts, medical bills, mortgages, car payments or any other thing that needs payed off

The national debt is continuing to pile up. Even Trump, who has stimulated the economy and brought back some jobs, has yet to reign in the executive budget (essentially all ABC federal agencies). Yes Congress has power of the purse, but that doesn't mean the executive has to cash the check. It also doesn't stop them from cutting a check to the Treasury with leftover funds. How long can this piling debt/rising inflation continue? Do we just print more money and further reduce our Dollar's buying power? I just don't see raising taxes as an alternative, eventually it forces business to operate outside the US or do business with foreign nations instead

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Lumenari

We all know that justices tend to view the Constitution through their own eyes according to their personal ideology. They are human after all. I don’t think anyone can deny that. Ruth Bader Ginsburg does it. Scalia did it. If you have a Supreme Court dominated by conservative justices, they will find ways to interpret the Constitution to come up with a ruling that fits their ideology. Same thing when there is a liberal majority of justices. What we ideally need is a Supreme Court filled with moderates, or, with an equal number of conservative and liberal justices, and one tie-breaker who tends to be a true moderate. We had that before Trump came along and promised to fill the Court with as many Uber conservatives as he could. You may not have a problem with that, but I do.

I don’t see any reason why one cannot take care of themselves and still be looking out for those who can’t. I try to do just that very thing. I do it in my every day life, and with how I vote.

I don't have a problem with it because conservatives tend to follow the law, not interpret it to fit their political viewpoint We can agree to disagree on that.

As far as someone taking care of themselves and still looking out for those that can't, we have a different ideology.

You think that paying more taxes means that more people are being taken care of.

I think that more people getting off of welfare and getting jobs means that more people are getting taken care of. I also think that once you get to the point in your life where you have taken care of your own needs then you are at the point where you start giving back to your community. That doesn't involve government. It involves yourself.

Again, an ideological difference between you and I. I am OK with other people thinking differently, as long as it doesn't involve those people taking more money from me that I can utilize to help people far better than the government can.

So far you have not given me an actual reason for voting Democrat.

But I do appreciate you posting... it gives me a different perspective to think about.

originally posted by: CB328
Americans have more debt than ever before, but we're supposed to believe that we're better off? Trump gave the wealthy and privileged gigantic tax cuts, and to pay for it they are planing to decimiate social security, medicare and medicaid after the midterms if they are still in power. It will be the final nail in the coffin for the lower classes in America. Oh, and Trump is poisoning people with his stupid deregulation and is going to add methane pollution now to the mix.

Why anyone would vote for a corrupt, fascist, racist, crime lord is beyond me.

I'm sorry, but you are so far left that anything you say in a post doesn't make any actual sense.

You are basically the reason that the left is being ridiculed right now by any sane American.

Can you please read my OP and respond to it?

Thank you in advance...

a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Thank your for your reply.

I missed the part in my OP where I was apologizing for Trump. I was just posting what was going on in my life and asking for a response.

I'm a woman, so the term "circle jerk" isn't very appealing. Can you please in the future just talk about it at length with your fabulous male friends? Thanks.

I do think that the Republicans will lose seats in this election, if history has any say about it.

In the end, I was just wondering what other people thought about the situation.

So I know where you stand, and thank you again for your opinion.

a reply to: Lumenari

Yeah, just like I thought. The purpose of this thread was to disregard anyone on the left. There is no "right" answer, if it's not a right leaning answer.

a reply to: CB328

How much of that excess debt came from bad choices?

Being enlisted military we certainly are not wealthy, but we have little debt (most came from moving an extra car and our pets from Germany to Oklahoma).

We have 13k in debt no counting the house, once I'm working we will pay that off before getting a new car or taking that vacation to Hawaii, or buying another house.

Yet routinely you see people getting new cars, new overpriced I phone just cause it's new and Shiney.

a reply to: Lumenari

Personally just like the presidential election this should have been a slam dunk win for the democrats.

But they have spent 2 years saying Trump is bad and anyone that disagrees is a nazi, misogynist etc.

Sure they will pick up some seats but they really haven't put out a message that will bring the independant voters to them.

As long as the usual suspects are running the dnc I don't expect a change in 2020.

The Democratic party is putting the nails in their coffin the more lies they keep spewing about Trump.

And, they keep attacking Alex Jones, deleted his app from the App Store and more lies about him everywhere.

Luckily, Infowars is still up.

The more they keep this up, the more likely it is Trump and all who serve him will gain further popularity. I'll stay it again, I just hope he's not controlled opposition.

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