Its Possible That the USA Hired England to Wiretap President-elect Donald Trump.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Perhaps. That's why this is in the Mud-Pit, instead of a "breaking news" forum. But as you point out, there is more evidence that Britain DID help the USA illegally spy on the President-elect, than there is evidence to the contrary.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: carewemust

That is very interesting and definitely something that needs more looking into.

Good find CWM.

I think we'll know more when the FBI FISA Warrant, and Bruce Ohr "302" interview notes are unclassified. Could be this week, if President Trump can get Jeff Sessions or Christopher Wray to sign-off on them.

The following is not the original website where the document was leaked, but it shows the full document.

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a reply to: UKTruth


Good "blast from the past" recollection on your part, UKTruth. Also, if you recall, the WhiteHouse never apologized, as Britain demanded. Instead, Sean Spicer merely promised to not bring up the subject again.

a reply to: Infoshill

Thank-you for finding and sharing that Napolitano statement/video InfoShill.

BTW, in case people forgot, Hannigan all of a sudden, and not long after this document was leaked, resigned from his post/position.

originally posted by: carewemust


1.) WHAT would have been the reason(s) for spying on Donald Trump AFTER he had already won the election for U.S. President?

2.) WHY would the United States colloborate (collude?) with the United Kingdom to spy on President-elect Trump?

3.) If true, was this illegal, or was it merely post-election "opposition research"?

-CareWeMust

1. They say: Because he's a Russian agent. I say: Because he is not groomed and bought by the Deep State.

2. They say: Because the CIA is not allowed to spy on its own citizens. So we have the 5 eyes that can spy on U.S. Citizens by orders of U.S. Intelligence.

3. Wiretapping a President Elect AND a sitting President has nothing to do with opposition research. Its a crime that reveals a Shadow Government.

a reply to: carewemust

Well, we did somewhat instruct our American allies on the art of how the great game is played back before the formation of your alphabet agencies.

Fact is through that Five Eyes is the colour of the day we share information and contract out jobs to one another all the time.

We spy on you, you spy on us, and somehow that makes it ok because we are not appearing to spy on our own respective populations.

Even the hardcore Tories at the helm of our nation recognize the fact that Trumps a nonsensical nutter through, so i suppose it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

originally posted by: justneo
a reply to: carewemust

Five eyes.

Had to look it up. Thank-you!

The "Five Eyes" (FVEY) refers to an alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. These countries are bound by the multilateral UKUSA Agreement for joint cooperation in signals intelligence, military intelligence, and human intelligence. In recent years, documents of the FVEY have shown that they are intentionally spying on one another's citizens and sharing the collected information with each other in order to circumvent restrictive domestic regulations on spying.[8]

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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: UKTruth

These “spy gates” have been going on for a VERY long time. And they will continue to happen until the end of time. Governments know everything about you and I and there is nothing we can do about as an individual. It is done by the left, right and everybody in between.

Better not to blame one side and accept that all sides do this.

The issue is that the Executive branch was spying on a domestic political opponent (with the help of foreign Govts.)
If there is a SC investigation into the Trump campaign, then it dictates that this should be taken just as seriously.

Flawless logic. The Inspector General and Special Prosecutor (John Huber) are indeed working to get to the bottom of Deep-State/Obama Admin FISA illegalities.

From the DOJ/OIG Website: oig.justice.gov...

The OIG, in response to requests from the Attorney General and Members of Congress, is examining the Department’s and the FBI’s compliance with legal requirements, and with applicable DOJ and FBI policies and procedures, in applications filed with the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) relating to a certain U.S. person.

As part of this examination, the OIG is also reviewing information that was known to the DOJ and the FBI at the time the applications were filed from or about an alleged FBI confidential source. Additionally, the OIG is reviewing the DOJ’s and FBI’s relationship and communications with the alleged source as they relate to the FISC applications.

If circumstances warrant, the OIG will consider including other issues that may arise during the course of the review.

This about covers what Obama Et al, have done and where things will end up once this administration is done with them.

All everyone is doing is arguing individual facets of a much larger conspiracy they are unwilling to admit.

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy US Code Notes prev | next If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

" conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States"[b/]

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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


The reason it's "popped up" again, is because the final FISA Spy Warrant is rumored to contain information proving that the United Kingdom's spy agency GCHQ, worked with bad-actors in the DOJ/FBI to spy on President-elect Donald J. Trump.

When the proof gets exposed, it will be a pop goes the weasels moment in History.

"FISA GCHQ ehhahaha"

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
The following is not the original website where the document was leaked, but it shows the full document.

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Thank-you! I love the comments and additional information contained within that thread.

You people keep missing the big clues

The reference to the secret society working against trump is why GCHQ helped the deepstate spy

Because the secret society is the NWO elites/multi nationals

All are western governments are committing treason and working for this entity, not the people who elect the puppets to lead the peasants

GCHQ was tasked to go around loopholes and knowing trump loyal members of the CIA fbi doj would eventually find out

The important part is to expose the secret society not their puppets like Clinton, Obama, Theresa May, Angela Merkel, Macron etc etc

a reply to: carewemust

Three questions for the deep political thinkers of ATS. In your opinion:

1.) WHAT would have been the reason(s) for spying on Donald Trump AFTER he had already won the election for U.S. President?

2.) WHY would the United States colloborate (collude?) with the United Kingdom to spy on President-elect Trump?

3.) If true, was this illegal, or was it merely post-election "opposition research"?

1.) They never thought she would lose. The O administration was up to its eyeballs in nefarious dealings and back channel ops. They had to keep an eye on Trump in case he got too close to the truth. Remember, these people are globalists with slush funds to dip into all over the globe (Paris Climate Accord anyone?). Trump, while operating globally is not a "globalist". He is an America first president and operates with The American People's best interest at heart.

2.) They colluded with the UK because it gives them cover in case the O players are found out, a somewhat "legal" technicality to use. Just days before Trump officially took office, Loretta Lynch pulled a doozie. Someday we will learn why Obama did this.

3.) It wasn't opposition research. It was to keep watch on how close the Trump administration was getting to the truth of what the last administration conspired to do. IMO, the O admin. and his goons at the top had been up to no good for years, and they thought right up to the last minute that their gal would win and none of it would ever see the light of day.

Well guess what? What has been hidden in the dark will soon come to light.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
BTW, in case people forgot, Hannigan all of a sudden, and not long after this document was leaked, resigned from his post/position.

Yes. SUDDENLY, after only 2 years, as we see in this Twitter thread you provided.

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a reply to: Skyfloating


Makes sense in context of all we're learning from open and closed testimonies to Congress, e-mails, text messages, etc.. "DEEP STATE" is not a fantasy of one's imagination. The Anonymous Op-Ed in the NYTimes last week, from a Deep-State insider, further proves it.

a reply to: carewemust

Domestic agencys are not allowed to spy on a candidate, so you have to ask a foreign one with which you collude since ww2 on an agreement. That would be england or australia or germany to make it legal.

Not sure about germany.

a reply to: Phoenix


Yes..that sums it up alright. What began as illegal spying in 2015, morphed into TREASON in 2017, with attempting to unseat President Trump via implementation of the pre-designed "insurance policy", by Rosenstein and Mueller, with the help of several deep-state co-conspirators.