How is Trump a Fascist?

Seriously.

I'm not looking to argue. I'm a political sceptic; I believe the two party system is largely irrelevant. I'm a registered-independent populist who didn't vote for trump.

I'm seriously asking. The Op-Ed piece in the NYT called him a fascist, and I'm wondering why, other than as a virtue-signaling label. Wikipedia says that fascism is far right (that definition was changed about 10 years ago, as other ATSers have pointed out.); but where is the "forcible suppression of the opposition?"

Has Trump closed down any legislative assemblies?
Has he set up new institutions for censorship?
Has he set up the "strong regimentation of society and the economy?" (wikipedia's terminology?)

I could understand the argument that he has fascistic sentiments. But other than passing judgement via twitter posts, what has he actually DONE that is fascistic?

a reply to: tovenar

He hurt some feelings.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: tovenar

He hurt some feelings.

So did an OP-ED, I've seen a few members here calling for the writer to be hung, for writing some words.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Actually it's for obstructing the administration.

a reply to: tovenar

Has Trump closed down any legislative assemblies? Has he set up new institutions for censorship? Has he set up the "strong regimentation of society and the economy?" (wikipedia's terminology?)

He sure as heck is trying.

He just call for the Op-ED poster to be turned over to the government.

link

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Actually it's for obstructing the administration.

If true still isn't treason.

To the OP's point, Trump is not a fascist or a dictator like many of his opponents accuse him of without proof.

But today it sure as hell looks like some of his avid followers believe he should have nothing short of absolute power.

We are a nation you are aloud to disagree with your boss, you are aloud to go to the press and write an OP-ED. If the identity is uncovered, this person can be fired, and I will not protest.

If you want Trump to abuse powers like Obama did though and spy on journalists to uncover the identity, then go after the person with the Espionage Act, just say so. I fully support people showing their true colors.

a reply to: tovenar

If Trump was fascist, NYT wouldn't exist right now.

So is the main problem that he is a nationalist?

The republican leadership are hugely "free trade," and so that may be why they don't like him. but there is a massive variety of nationalisms, other than national socialism.

A national socialist would, I'd think, be in favor of universal state-sponsored/single payer healthcare. Trump is clearly not.

A fascist would want to regiment society. Trump was against all "bathroom bills." If anything he is more lassez-faire with respect to LGBTQIIA than any republican I can name.

So, do they call him a fascist because to call him a nationalist would elevate the cause of nationalism?

a reply to: tovenar

At what did the OP ED call him a racist exactly? I just got done reading for the third time and possibly missed that part. Care to quote that line please?

originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: tovenar

Has Trump closed down any legislative assemblies? Has he set up new institutions for censorship? Has he set up the "strong regimentation of society and the economy?" (wikipedia's terminology?)

He sure as heck is trying.

He just call for the Op-ED poster to be turned over to the government.

link

That's not the same thing. All recent presidents (other than Reagan) have talked about what their detractors "deserve."
When Obamacare was being legislated, the administration sent a letter to the big insurers, warning them not to comment on the policy, or they could lose their federal interstate licenses.... that's prior restraint, and a pretty specific threat.

Has trump threatened the times?

a reply to: tovenar

So, do they call him a fascist because to call him a nationalist would elevate the cause of nationalism?

He sure pals around with a lot of other fascists, nationalist and dictators:

Trump tweeted today:

"Kim Jong Un of North Korea proclaims “unwavering faith in President Trump.” Thank you to Chairman Kim. We will get it done together!"

a reply to: JasonBillung

And the writer is an entire legislative branch? Powerful dude.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Whether it is or not stop lying about why Trump says what he says.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Whether it is or not stop lying about why Trump says what he says.

Where did I do that?

This is funny.

You guys are funny.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Whether it is or not stop lying about why Trump says what he says.

So we should take him at face value? Exactly what he says? No more walk-back on "what the president meant?"

I think that is exactly what has been the trouble for Trump. People listen to what he said.

Don't like it? It changes tomorrow.

originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: tovenar

So, do they call him a fascist because to call him a nationalist would elevate the cause of nationalism?

He sure pals around with a lot of other fascists, nationalist and dictators:

Trump tweeted today:

"Kim Jong Un of North Korea proclaims “unwavering faith in President Trump.” Thank you to Chairman Kim. We will get it done together!"

FDR "pal-ed around with" Joe Stalin.

If he was going to avoid dictators, he couldn't interact with other countries in world hotspots.

Obama said he would meet with Iran's leaders?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: JasonBillung

And the writer is an entire legislative branch? Powerful dude.

I have no idea what this means.

10 steps to a fascist government

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy

Russia,Russia,Russia

2. Create a gulag

It's not the Detention of illegal immigrants. That's been around a long time .

3. Develop a thug caste

Just like Hitler's brown shirts we have ANTIFA

4. Set up an internal surveillance system

Twitter, Facebook, Google ..... take your pick

5. Harass citizens' groups

ANTIFA and normal Democrats shouting down speakers or preventing them from speaking


6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release

As far as I know neither side has gone there

7. Target key individuals

Maxine Watters advice

8. Control the press

I don't feel the need to address this point it's common knowledge


9. Dissent equals treason

Ask Alan Dershowitz among others

10. Suspend the rule of law

Abolish ICE, commute sentences and don't prosecute minor crimes

That article ended at 10 but I think there's at least a number 11 .

11. gain control of the educational system .

On that the left has succeeded

Here's the article the answers I supplied are my own .



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originally posted by: tovenar
Seriously.

I'm not looking to argue. I'm a political sceptic; I believe the two party system is largely irrelevant. I'm a registered-independent populist who didn't vote for trump.

I'm seriously asking. The Op-Ed piece in the NYT called him a fascist, and I'm wondering why, other than as a virtue-signaling label. Wikipedia says that fascism is far right (that definition was changed about 10 years ago, as other ATSers have pointed out.); but where is the "forcible suppression of the opposition?"

Has Trump closed down any legislative assemblies?
Has he set up new institutions for censorship?
Has he set up the "strong regimentation of society and the economy?" (wikipedia's terminology?)

I could understand the argument that he has fascistic sentiments. But other than passing judgement via twitter posts, what has he actually DONE that is fascistic?

He's not a Democrat POTUS. That's his only crime.
His existence is an affront to their liberal sensibilities and cannot be tolerated.

...that's what I've gathered from their behavior over the last few years