Conspiracy against Trump from within the White House - Story from an active Resistance insider?

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: underwerks

Trump obviously isn’t the solution.


If he exposes all this bs then I submit he is; at least the beginning of one.

All this BS? Trump is all this BS. If the article is true, it means that these Trump appointed politicians are covering for incompetence at the highest level. Because politics. That’s just as slimy as Trump.

That Trump is weak or oblivious enough to allow something like this to happen around him pretty much says it all. And from his reaction on Twitter, I’m leaning towards this being true.

The house of cards that Trump built is beginning to topple, and ironically it’s the people he selected that did it. If you all want to blame this on some “deep state” have at it. Just remember that these are all people Trump chose himself.

A more proper term would be the “Trump State”.

The potus does not choose the entire government.
Perhaps you should research what a senior official means.
Unelected beurocrats have no business doing the things described in the article.
Without trump these beurocrats would never have revealed themselves.

If this is true do you think only these unelected bureaucrats know about it? If they know about it, everyone knows about it. And have been complicit the entire time.

That includes everyone in the White House, everyone who Trump nominated, and every right wing politician that carried water for Trump and helped him put on this tv show.

That the president is this grossly incompetent isn’t going to stay a secret in D.C.

It appears to me many did not know about it until the NYT article today.
That fact does not make the actions described less crimes.

a reply to: alphabetaone

Never? Not quite. I question sources and disbelieve proven liars often enough

But enough for you to drag this thread off topic and discuss me instead of the topic? Pshaw!

Its like you dont actually read and remember the stuff i post

a reply to: alphabetaone

So in other words youare so unable to read that you just make crap up

originally posted by: cosmickat
a reply to: angeldoll

Could all add up to Pence.
But then there is McGhan too.
He gave 30 hours of testimony....obviously had a lot to say ?

A couple of people have said it reads like a woman. Not my thought, but if so, it could be Ivanka.

yep. I know that sounds cray, but one of the books I read (and yes I read them all) said Ivanka is one of the biggest leakers. And plus I think she would like to be president someday, or at least a cabinet head.

I still think it's the VP. Don't VP's have to be impeached? He couldn't just fire him.

Rumors of a national security investigation being opened into this.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: underwerks

I agree with your earlier thoughts, that they should just let all his incompetence come out. This is in a manner just like the people in Reagan's incompetence. His Alzheimer in last few years and his sitting with Nancy and her soothsayer friend to get advice. The needs of the corporate push for deregulation while he was prez needed to seen as HIS idea because people loved him so much, rather than the goal of corporate backers.

I see this in the same light, as you suggest.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those same corporate interests were taking advantage of the chaos in the White House right now. And have been all along. The anti-environmental stance of this administration makes a lot more sense now.

Trump seems to just be a puppet. The big questions are how much does it cost to shove your hand up his backside? And who’s hand is it?

You know who probably wrote this? Trump himself (or someone he employees to write well).

Its win win for him. Its fired up his base and has given his opposition something to really talk about instead of things that dont realy mater like supream cort nominees.

I cant wait until the book comes out a decade or so from now.

Surely nobody can deny the truth in this

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

originally posted by: angeldoll
Surely nobody can deny the truth in this

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

Yes that occurred long before trump

When many people in the left labeled anyone who disagreed with them a racist,bigot,fascist,evils, etc.

Trump is a reaction to that escalation

Where was the internal coup when that was occurring?

originally posted by: angeldoll
Surely nobody can deny the truth in this

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

Yea we really needed Trump to do that to us... where have ya been the last decade?

Nope we did that whole stripping of civility to our selves. If Trump has any part in this it was to recognize it and use it to his advantage.

Time will tell if the saboteur is real or just a liberal LARP in a well-orchestrated effort to add to the myth of Trump's instability and introduce the idea of deeming him too unstable for the presidency. On the heels of Woodwards book, this is quite effective. Meanwhile, Q keeps making promises of the big BOOM, while HRC and Obama are fundraising right and stumping for a blue wave....This whole scenario is less fun all the time, and very unsettling to see propagandists getting away with treason.

originally posted by: underwerks

When faced with an amoral, anti-democratic President, what should a person do? Just bend over when they say and let America get reamed?

Serious question.

Can you explain how he is any more amoral/anti-democratic than the last 3 Presidents?

a reply to: angeldoll

Yes..he cant just be fired.
She crossed my mind too...but I don't think she could do that to her daddy ( euuch )

originally posted by: Zoyd23
Trump's white house has been riddled with people working against him from the start. Personally, I've never seen anything like it, and wonder how all these bad actors remain working in his administration. While these "saboteurs" are doing everything they can to make Trump appear unstable and stupid, he continues blaming the media for fake news---but as far as I can tell the media is winning this war, partially because Trump cannot clean up his own backyard and keep his own people (Omarosa, etc.) from attacking him.

That's because, that's who Trump is. It's a core part of him. He has never hired or maintained talent, his management style devolves into chaos, and politically he's completely inept, so others have to perform triage to keep the state functioning.

I don't want to get into a debate on policy right now, but in ability Trump is the worst person to ever become President.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks


When faced with an amoral, anti-democratic President, what should a person do? Just bend over when they say and let America get reamed?

Serious question.

www.usconstitution.net...

show me where in that document it states that if the elected president isn't the polished figurehead we would like, we can self appoint a group to undermine him and contain his actions.

Really, really #ing serious question.

The President is the leader of 1/3 of government. Not the sole arbiter of the department. That is split between cabinet members, and then filtered down to lower level employees as necessary.

This is one of my big criticisms of Trump actually. In not filling these roles, he is instead grabbing the power for himself when that is not his purpose according to the Constitution. His purpose is to give a direction and goals, and appoint people to work on those goals.

originally posted by: Aazadan

I don't want to get into a debate on policy right now, but in ability Trump is the worst person to ever become President.

Wow worst than the last two Presidents that cost us wasted TRILLIONS and 1000s of American lives, not to mention shredding the Constitution.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Fowlerstoad

The NYT admits to recieving material information regarding a coup against the US government, and no folks are seeing this as an issue?

My hope is that the hammer is dropped on that yellow rag and the worthless pseudo journalists it employs.

That article displays that the executive branch is still mostly functioning how it's supposed to.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Aazadan

I don't want to get into a debate on policy right now, but in ability Trump is the worst person to ever become President.

Wow worst than the last two Presidents that cost us wasted TRILLIONS and 1000s of American lives, not to mention shredding the Constitution.

As I said, I don't feel like debating policy right now. I'm talking about managing government. Trump has shown himself to be incapable of managing an organization, just like he was in his businesses. That's why he always paid others to do it for him.

But as far as shredding the Constitution goes, Trump has in the past 12 hours suggested removing the first Amendment, on two different occasions.

a reply to: Aazadan

Laughable.

Just do a quick search of past presidents' temperament, style, and language. You will find that some of the most effective president's were anything BUT calm, cool, and collected....but they were effective.

Trump will go down as one of the most effective successful presidents in history, I believe. Already, the things he has accomplished are impressive even while fighting against the swamp, fake news, and other sundry liars and tricksters.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: burntheships

its someone in a senior position at the white house not someone who use to work for the FBI or someone who used to work for the justice department or someone who used to work for Obama. Its one of his senior staff. Kellyanne? John Kelly?

I'm about to goto bed so I don't have time to type up my long reasoned response. But, I would put money on it being Rick Perry.