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originally posted by: Jenisiz
originally posted by: ridgerunner
a reply to: JenisizSo you haven`t read anything much,Manifest Destiny was the belief that God had destined the United States to reach from coast to coast.And very obviously you haven't read the Declaration of Independence,try reading the first 2 paragraphs .They were opposed to forcing a religion like the Catholic or Church of England,not against belief in God,freedom of choice and speech were important and they spoke freely of God in Congress and personal life
So, since I dont read much, care to point out where Manifest Destiny is located in the Constitution? Quit trying to make a moot point that Religion is in the framework of or Constitution. It is EXACTLY the opposite of what you're implying.
originally posted by: narrator
a reply to: conspiracytheoristIAM
There was a thread on here not too long ago about a state government being A-ok with the 10 commandments being displayed on state land, but were up in arms about a Baphomet statue being displayed on the same grounds. That's the government and a specific religion coming together. Not a good precedent to set in our country, where it's written that government and religion need to be separate at all times.
originally posted by: toms54
originally posted by: Jenisiz
originally posted by: ridgerunner
Are you serious? You`ve never read any of their speeches in Congress,letters to each others,Presidential proclamations or know what Manifest Destiny was have you? Clinton,Bush and Obama were not our forefathers,That was Washington,Adams,and Madison among others.And you might want to read some of Lincolns believes and reasons he was against slavery.
originally posted by: Jenisiz
if you need examples google Trump and God...should be easy enough to find at least a dozen different examples of his cabinet referring to it. First thing I hit was this
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Jenisiz
I've always found "spiritual but not religious" to be code for "I'm a dumbass"
Please show us examples of where this administration is pushing religious policies.
www.politico.com...
Now doing the same for Obama presents this
www.politico.com...
Notice a difference? Religion as per forefathers is supposed to be separated from government. Instead of bashing, present something worth discussing.
Very serious, you obviously dont know history. First ammendment prohibits regulation or endorsement of any religion bud...look it up.
I don't know what you learned in college but the history of America is that of a deeply religious Christian people. Yes, "First ammendment prohibits regulation or endorsement of any religion." That doesn't mean the people can not be religious. It means the US can't declare itself a Christian country and suppress or discriminate against other faiths. They can't deduct tithes from your paycheck and give them directly to the church like they did in Europe. It means we are not to subjugate ourselves to the political control of a pope or other religious leader like they did in Europe and the Middle East.
Historically, churches were very active politically. That wasn't prohibited until the '60s with the Johnson Amendment. Many of the most famous speeches in history were delivered from a church pulpit. Official documents and proclamations made frequent reference to God and the entire legal system in the US is based upon biblical principles.
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Jenisiz
I dislike both sides of the aisle equally, but I dislike the lean toward a quasi-theocracy even more. I'm not so worried about Trump specifically, he's about as Christian as I am, but Pence and Sessions are another story altogether. That said, the "anti-christ" is more of a blow-hard, narcissistic, anti-religionist, warmonger that leads the way to persecution of the "faithful". So Trump doesn't quite qualify, since he has the religious right in his pocket.
What you're seeing is a bit of dominionism coming from the executive branch. I wouldn't be too concerned though, the pendulum will swing back the other way, and you'll have a whole new set of evils to contend with.
originally posted by: randomthoughts12
a reply to: Jenisiz
You need to get some more education or research. Very poor case here talking actual examples or links. I use to try and make this comparison however Trump does not fit the bill one bit. OMG he is bringing christmas back to the white house....ANTICHRIST@! Is what this sound like to me.
"several parrallels that exist between Trump and Revalations of the Catholic and Christian Bibles?"
Nope have not made any of the parallels but if you can list them that would at the least make me laugh less.
originally posted by: Jenisiz
originally posted by: toms54
originally posted by: Jenisiz
originally posted by: ridgerunner
Are you serious? You`ve never read any of their speeches in Congress,letters to each others,Presidential proclamations or know what Manifest Destiny was have you? Clinton,Bush and Obama were not our forefathers,That was Washington,Adams,and Madison among others.And you might want to read some of Lincolns believes and reasons he was against slavery.
originally posted by: Jenisiz
if you need examples google Trump and God...should be easy enough to find at least a dozen different examples of his cabinet referring to it. First thing I hit was this
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Jenisiz
I've always found "spiritual but not religious" to be code for "I'm a dumbass"
Please show us examples of where this administration is pushing religious policies.
www.politico.com...
Now doing the same for Obama presents this
www.politico.com...
Notice a difference? Religion as per forefathers is supposed to be separated from government. Instead of bashing, present something worth discussing.
Very serious, you obviously dont know history. First ammendment prohibits regulation or endorsement of any religion bud...look it up.
I don't know what you learned in college but the history of America is that of a deeply religious Christian people. Yes, "First ammendment prohibits regulation or endorsement of any religion." That doesn't mean the people can not be religious. It means the US can't declare itself a Christian country and suppress or discriminate against other faiths. They can't deduct tithes from your paycheck and give them directly to the church like they did in Europe. It means we are not to subjugate ourselves to the political control of a pope or other religious leader like they did in Europe and the Middle East.
Historically, churches were very active politically. That wasn't prohibited until the '60s with the Johnson Amendment. Many of the most famous speeches in history were delivered from a church pulpit. Official documents and proclamations made frequent reference to God and the entire legal system in the US is based upon biblical principles.
Lol it means religion should be kept separate from government. Show me where it doesn't. Seriously you cant comprehend the fact that yes several religious ppl fled religious persecution and started a country where religion was not to be implemented in the governing body...period. This is the exact same hypocrisy we see every day where we attempt to overturn and fight against religious leaders in other countries. By your logic, a jihad is ok if its run by christians?
originally posted by: toms54
originally posted by: Jenisiz
originally posted by: toms54
originally posted by: Jenisiz
originally posted by: ridgerunner
Are you serious? You`ve never read any of their speeches in Congress,letters to each others,Presidential proclamations or know what Manifest Destiny was have you? Clinton,Bush and Obama were not our forefathers,That was Washington,Adams,and Madison among others.And you might want to read some of Lincolns believes and reasons he was against slavery.
originally posted by: Jenisiz
if you need examples google Trump and God...should be easy enough to find at least a dozen different examples of his cabinet referring to it. First thing I hit was this
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Jenisiz
I've always found "spiritual but not religious" to be code for "I'm a dumbass"
Please show us examples of where this administration is pushing religious policies.
www.politico.com...
Now doing the same for Obama presents this
www.politico.com...
Notice a difference? Religion as per forefathers is supposed to be separated from government. Instead of bashing, present something worth discussing.
Very serious, you obviously dont know history. First ammendment prohibits regulation or endorsement of any religion bud...look it up.
I don't know what you learned in college but the history of America is that of a deeply religious Christian people. Yes, "First ammendment prohibits regulation or endorsement of any religion." That doesn't mean the people can not be religious. It means the US can't declare itself a Christian country and suppress or discriminate against other faiths. They can't deduct tithes from your paycheck and give them directly to the church like they did in Europe. It means we are not to subjugate ourselves to the political control of a pope or other religious leader like they did in Europe and the Middle East.
Historically, churches were very active politically. That wasn't prohibited until the '60s with the Johnson Amendment. Many of the most famous speeches in history were delivered from a church pulpit. Official documents and proclamations made frequent reference to God and the entire legal system in the US is based upon biblical principles.
Lol it means religion should be kept separate from government. Show me where it doesn't. Seriously you cant comprehend the fact that yes several religious ppl fled religious persecution and started a country where religion was not to be implemented in the governing body...period. This is the exact same hypocrisy we see every day where we attempt to overturn and fight against religious leaders in other countries. By your logic, a jihad is ok if its run by christians?
I think you are trying to make me insult you.
originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Jenisiz
seriously? may I ask what university you studied parapsychology at?
What did you get your degree and advanced degrees in? Religion? The reason I ask, is Im trying to understand why you prefaced your OP with your resume, was that to validate your opinion?
Trump is not the anti christ because Netenyahu said he was a friend of Israel. If youre not religious, why is your handle a variant on the 1st book of the Hebrew bible?
Not sure why I even bothered
originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Jenisiz
I appreciate your explaination. I too work in healthcare, but I am in no way needful of describing how deeply involved I am to a bunch of anonymous people...no offense it just seems like salesmanship.
In regards your handle..I am cool with the idea you proposed and if I ever have the time to give a +×÷= about someones hidden meaning behind their name, I will definitely get back with you on that.
Regarding your OP..I guess I just find it hard to believe a person as well heeled as you are is seriously attempting to extole the negative virtues attributed to someone as august as the bleeding ANTI CHRIST. to someone so universally accepted as an ignoramous, as Donald J Trump.
Again, with your extolled education, I am just a little confused as to why an idea of this low elevation crossed your mind...much less worthy of your posting and commenting on.
originally posted by: Jenisiz
originally posted by: toms54
originally posted by: Jenisiz
originally posted by: toms54
originally posted by: Jenisiz
originally posted by: ridgerunner
Are you serious? You`ve never read any of their speeches in Congress,letters to each others,Presidential proclamations or know what Manifest Destiny was have you? Clinton,Bush and Obama were not our forefathers,That was Washington,Adams,and Madison among others.And you might want to read some of Lincolns believes and reasons he was against slavery.
originally posted by: Jenisiz
if you need examples google Trump and God...should be easy enough to find at least a dozen different examples of his cabinet referring to it. First thing I hit was this
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Jenisiz
I've always found "spiritual but not religious" to be code for "I'm a dumbass"
Please show us examples of where this administration is pushing religious policies.
www.politico.com...
Now doing the same for Obama presents this
www.politico.com...
Notice a difference? Religion as per forefathers is supposed to be separated from government. Instead of bashing, present something worth discussing.
Very serious, you obviously dont know history. First ammendment prohibits regulation or endorsement of any religion bud...look it up.
I don't know what you learned in college but the history of America is that of a deeply religious Christian people. Yes, "First ammendment prohibits regulation or endorsement of any religion." That doesn't mean the people can not be religious. It means the US can't declare itself a Christian country and suppress or discriminate against other faiths. They can't deduct tithes from your paycheck and give them directly to the church like they did in Europe. It means we are not to subjugate ourselves to the political control of a pope or other religious leader like they did in Europe and the Middle East.
Historically, churches were very active politically. That wasn't prohibited until the '60s with the Johnson Amendment. Many of the most famous speeches in history were delivered from a church pulpit. Official documents and proclamations made frequent reference to God and the entire legal system in the US is based upon biblical principles.
Lol it means religion should be kept separate from government. Show me where it doesn't. Seriously you cant comprehend the fact that yes several religious ppl fled religious persecution and started a country where religion was not to be implemented in the governing body...period. This is the exact same hypocrisy we see every day where we attempt to overturn and fight against religious leaders in other countries. By your logic, a jihad is ok if its run by christians?
I think you are trying to make me insult you.
Quite the contrary, It's been pointed out that I was mistaken and that the Constitution was built around including religion for governing purposes. I'm just waiting for someone to show me where.