Former ‘ER’ actress Vanessa Marquez shot and killed by police

a reply to: howtonhawky

I don't think it is, or should be, protocol for an officer to clear an area of threats in a seemingly non-threatening situation.

Let's say there is a car accident with major injuries. Should the officers make sure the scene is clear of weapons before helping the victims? Conducting a thorough search of the cars involved for potential threats before pulling people from the wreckage? Then there are cars that stop to help, they may have weapons in them too, so they need to be searched as well.

Or perhaps they should just cuff everyone in every situation to prevent the one-off weird scenarios from happening. I'm sure that would go over well.

This was clearly an extenuating circumstance. Officers aren't perfect, but I'm much happier with them than I would be without them. Place the blame where you want, but nothing should be taken from this story other than the fact that it was a tricky situation with an unfortunate ending.

a reply to: scojak

I don't think it is, or should be, protocol for an officer to clear an area of threats in a seemingly non-threatening situation.

Well when they take a mental person in they state the reason is because they present a danger to themselves or others.

Givin that it is very much the responsibility of the attending officers to secure the area where a mental professional is being called in.

Yeah, them "welfare checks" can be killer.

a reply to: Blaine91555

let's not forget the entire other parts of the 90 minute period spent in her house and not assess her as a threat, or her landlord calling for the help, as in something was abnormal. ..

I really hope there is body cam footage. 90 minutes later to die after a distress call was made....

you can take the officers words if you like; we know that track record.

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: howtonhawky

I have a Beretta 92F 9mm. pistol. I also have a Daisy replica 92F that shoots little plastic balls. If I place them side by side with the Daisy markings down you can't tell them apart even if you pick them up.

We are not talking about replicas as far as i know.

It just says bb gun.

I accept your point but counter with the fact that replicas are rare compared to bb guns. The point you made is in the minority. imho

Threat assessment is a duty of an officer and every failed threat assessment does not equate intent or guilt only negligence.

If a person with a non lethal weapon is killed by police then they have failed in their threat assessment.

Things like reaction time and other circumstances do come into play. I understand all that.

False... Every BBGun I've ever seen (pistol) looks like a real gun. Today it might be different with the little orange blanks on the end but sorry... That isn't a valid excuse.

False again... If a person with a non lethal WEAPON is killed by police, then that officer has likely feared for their life, which is justified.

Knife to a gun fight for example. You can be 25 feet away from me with a gun in holster. I have a knife. Who do you think will win? Definitely not you...

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: howtonhawky

I have a Beretta 92F 9mm. pistol. I also have a Daisy replica 92F that shoots little plastic balls. If I place them side by side with the Daisy markings down you can't tell them apart even if you pick them up.

Same here, I've got a .380 SIg P230 and a replica Gamo P23 pellet pistol. They're near identical, there is absolutely no way for officers to tell the difference.

a reply to: howtonhawky

When did they stop putting orange tips on the barrels of B.B. guns?

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Not saying it's not a possibility but 90 minutes... Nope. Sorry. And I do know plenty about seizures. Trust me.

Police are allowed to feel threatened at any time and therefore allowed to kill in response. Just the way it is.

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: howtonhawky

When did they stop putting orange tips on the barrels of B.B. guns?

When did they start?

a reply to: howtonhawky

You jumped from "when they take a mental person in" to "a mental professional is being called in". Those are completely different situation.

By calling in a mental health clinician, that actually shows they did not believe she presented a danger to anyone at the time. Otherwise they would have taken her in.

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: howtonhawky

When did they stop putting orange tips on the barrels of B.B. guns?

When did they start?

In my state at least 37 years ago. I thought that was a federal law
Edit: wow you’re right. It’s just airsoft. I do remember my first B.B. long gun didn’t have the orange tip. It was my dads hand me down

Federal code

(f) Effective date

This section shall become effective on the date 6 months after November 5, 1988, and shall apply to toy, look-alike, and imitation firearms manufactured or entered into commerce after November 5, 1988.

a reply to: roadgravel

For people that won’t bother to read the code it exempts B.B. guns and replicas from having markings in section C

If someone wants to correct me I’m cool with that. My beer buzz is strong and I never understood lawyer talk in the first place

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: Blaine91555

Nope i am stating facts.

It was a failed threat assessment and does not prove intent or guilt but does show negligence.

When the page loaded and i seen you had posted pics it took all of .2 seconds to recognize the barrel size on the first pic.

The other two pics not so much cause they look alike from the side.

If a cop kills a suspect holding a non lethal weapon then it is a failed threat assessment. fact

Since when does stating a fact equate not siding with police?

You took a mental leap to couple my responses with siding with anyone.

I think you may be predispositioned to protect police at every turn.

Do you expect the cops to let her pull the trigger and gamble with their lives? I do not you can’t try to judge whether a weapon is leather or not in the heat of the moment if someone wants to be killed by the cops they may or may not use a fake or replica firearm or it may be real and they let off shots to give the officers no choice. You play stupid games you win stupid prizes this is why you don’t wave around replica guns around cops.

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Sad tragic story but cant help but feel she should of walked away from it happy with what she had.

a reply to: DieGloke

serously? what do you know about my country? socialist school teacher?

originally posted by: StallionDuck
I bet when she had that seizure, she realized it was coming quickly. This poor woman had been jaded so bad in the industry and not one of any authority gave two craps about her being groped and blacklisted because she spoke up. When she came out of that seizure, she knew she had a way out and she took it.

IF it was a gran mal seizure, she probably didn't know her name or where she even WAS.
Leta alone what an "intruder" was doing in her home.

Police should be trained to know about seizures.
That ignorance led to her wrongful death.
IMHO.

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe

originally posted by: StallionDuck
I bet when she had that seizure, she realized it was coming quickly. This poor woman had been jaded so bad in the industry and not one of any authority gave two craps about her being groped and blacklisted because she spoke up. When she came out of that seizure, she knew she had a way out and she took it.

IF it was a gran mal seizure, she probably didn't know her name or where she even WAS.
Leta alone what an "intruder" was doing in her home.

Police should be trained to know about seizures.
That ignorance led to her wrongful death.
IMHO.

I will say having suffered a gran mal seizure I’m amazed at how quickly I came to, might have been waking up on the ground with 50lbs of English Bulldog standing on my chest sniffing my face I didn’t know how long I was out and it was confusing at first but it’s one of those things that’s going to effect different people different ways every time as there are so many variables. But from me waking up on the floor I would say within 45 seconds or so I had shaken the cobwebs from my rebooted brain and get my bearings. Now this being said my seizure wasn’t a very long or particularly violent one of thing caused by severe dehydration and malnourishment after a GI surgery so I suspect that’s part of the reason I was able to regain composure in a hurry.

a reply to: BigDave-AR

Sure, and everyone is different.
The ones I have known took far longer to be alert and cognizant....and often they fell asleep....those seizures can take a lot out of you, it appears.