Legal Weed Is a Reality in America, but Congress Refuses to Admit It

a reply to: Kandinsky

Haha. Of course we knew from the beginning that smell of money wafting from the pungent plant was going to be the true pull to legalization.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Screw Trump's desire. This is the will of the people. There's no downside to changing these stupid laws. That's why I see him doing it. It's an easy win. Trudeau pretty much got elected on this. Trump could set himself up for reelection with this move. It will please a LOT of people.

a reply to: andy06shake
Haha we share a similar mindset.
I break laws all the time, I don't care either.
I don't steal from people or hurt others, my moral code is stronger than 'the law' in my opinion. Cops are just necessary minor distractions to me, like nightclub bouncers.
Heck it was legal to rape your wife in the UK up until the mid 90's, tell me the 'law' is right solely because it is 'the law' and I'll piss myself laughing.
Nah, they can legalise or criminalise whatever they like and I'll carry on doing my own thing regardless.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

US states are rapidly legalizing marijuna. Big Pharma is introducing their version of Kmart Cannibas. Why? Is it just because cancer is due to increase by some 70% over the next 13 years, according to the World Health Org.? or is there something else going on.
Mind control victims are forbidden from smoking or taking marijuna. Why?
Why now?

If not already done so, you should watch this, it goes a long way in addressing why the US federal gov is/was dragging its heals..

a reply to: intrepid

That's what I mean. This is an example of an ACTUAL policy that will bank Trump a lot of political capital. Only the truest partisan Democrats would fight him on this. But screw them. Even I'm willing to sit aside my disgust for the man if he got behind legalizing weed. That is the first step in ending the War on Drugs which is a policy goal of mine for a LONG LONG time now.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Kandinsky

Haha. Of course we knew from the beginning that smell of money wafting from the pungent plant was going to be the true pull to legalization.

Funny you say that because I know a few traders who don't want pot legalised because they might end up having to pay taxes on their income.
Saying that though, so long as the transactions continue to be cash based that won't be happening any time soon lol.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Carry on regardless seems to be the colour of the day for most sensible people.

Long as you are not out causing chaos, hurting folk, or taking advantage, who gives a rats arse what you get upto?

Nobody with an ounce of common sense thats who.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I think he's suggesting that those people would see a doctor under false pretenses to get a prescription to treat those things.

Ohhhhhh, yes, I could totally ses that, and only a percentage would really need it.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

That is actually one of the primary sources for why the first legalization bill in CA got shot down. A lot of the growers of medical cannabis in the northern part of the state didn't want the plant to be regulated and their workers put under government working regulations so they voted to keep it merely decriminalized. That tactic didn't work the second time because politicians had gotten a whiff of the tax money smell by then.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

One has to wonder are there any progressive nations around that have legalized the stuff in its entirety and actually had cause to regret doing so?

I think not.

a reply to: andy06shake

I cannot think of any either.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Krazysh0t

One has to wonder are there any progressive nations around that have legalized the stuff in its entirety and actually had cause to regret doing so?

I think not.

It's in its infancy here and we've seen no downside yet.

ETA: Nothing has really changed except the attitude. It's positive and relaxed.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Krazysh0t

One has to wonder are there any progressive nations around that have legalized the stuff in its entirety and actually had cause to regret doing so?

I think not.

It's in its infancy here and we've seen no downside yet.

ETA: Nothing has really changed except the attitude. It's positive and relaxed.

RIP My man. This guy was hilarious!

a reply to: intrepid

Yet the effects of Tobacco and Alcohol on our respective populations is rather well established beyond dought.

And those are still legal in their entirety.

The mind boggles at the hypocrisy really.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I think taxes are the biggest player in it for sure.
At present the occassional bust is deemed to be a tax by the average trader, and usually a lot less overall compared to running a regulated business.
I think if it is decriminalised in the UK then we'll still have illegal traders though, if only because taxes are so high here.
An example being tobacco products and alcohol. Both legally traded but there is a massive market for 'tax free' smuggled goods here. Small stores sell it 'under the counter' illegally so I haven't paid tax on such items for years, I don't know anyone who does.

I imagine if pot is legalised here in the UK then it will continue being sold tax free by illegal traders. Most is home grown anyway, 9 plants or less then usually it doesn't even make it to court.
Who would buy it from a store which charges tax on top? It'll be the same as the illegal booze and cigs racket here, nobody wants to give the Queen her cut of the deal.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Quality control nevermind the removal of the criminal elements that surrounded the distribution of the stuff also seem to be rather desirable traits where the legalization of weed is concerned.

Your correct all the same but there are billions to be had in the taxation of the product in question.

Could help solve/alleviate the problems Brexit will manifest somewhat if you think about it.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I think if it is decriminalised in the UK then we'll still have illegal traders though, if only because taxes are so high here.
An example being tobacco products and alcohol. Both legally traded but there is a massive market for 'tax free' smuggled goods here. Small stores sell it 'under the counter' illegally so I haven't paid tax on such items for years, I don't know anyone who does.

This is pretty much an inevitability. The untaxed cigarette market still flows strong in the US. Plus, here in the states you have cross state border sales. Buying cigarettes in a state with cheaper taxes then driving cross state lines to sell in a market with higher taxes.

I guarantee that it won't take a huge leap in mental processing skills for criminals to do the same with pot.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Krazysh0t

It takes the piss. Across the western world...both the public and the experts agree with it being decriminalised or legalised.

That should be the end of it and the politicians should just hop to it and get it done. It's that simple.

I won't be applauding any of these assholes when it gets legalised. It should have been done years ago.

And the same goes for the Healthcare ponzi scheme we have in the USA, it should have been sorted out long ago. In countries with socialized medical care they spend much less than what we do in the USA currently, yet their systems work well. And people don't go broke and in debt for getting ill.

I'm not for socialism, however this medical care system has gotten way out of hand. I remember when a hundred dollars a month got someone good health insurance, now it's 1k a month and 20% co-pay with exclusions. smh

a reply to: Realtruth

"People lose everything, and go in debt for just one emergency situation in the USA."

That's not just the US in this day of age mate, we have a social safety net in place and sill 100,000s of people fall through the cracks and end up homeless and destitute over a simple debt each year.

Truth is both our systems are designed to eat there own as long as there is profit to be had.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I hear you on the layup for trump.

One of the few issues I can think of where the majority on both sides would support.

I am hoping he is keeping it in his back pocket until the run up to the election and then had this be a major campaign promise for him.

He would win by the largest margin ever if he pushed for this.

A lot of people who wouldn't otherwise vote for him would and a lot of people that don't vote at all would because of it.

Come on big guy.

Imagine if he tasted one of his big Macs after blazing? It would blow his mind.
Then an ice cold coke to wash it down????

I say damn.