Whistleblower Exposes Key Player in FBI Russia Probe: “It was all a Set-up”

a reply to: Xcathdra

Your Whistleblower, Adam Lovinger, had his security clearance suspended in May 2017 under the Trump Administration.

Your purported Boogey-Man, Stefan Halper is a lifelong Republican.

He worked for both Nixon and Gerald Ford on Domestic Policy.
He was Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan.
He worked on the Presidential Campaigns of both Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

He then became a Professor at Cambridge where he taught Foreign Policy and hosted the "Cambridge Intelligence Seminar", an annual conference on international espionage until 2016.

Notably he cited at the time he stepped down as host of the "Cambridge Intelligence Seminar" that it had become overly-influenced with Russian Operatives.

A year later..

The Pentagon suspended (Adam Lovinger's) top-secret security clearance May 1, 2017, when he exposed through an internal review that Stefan Halper, who was then an emeritus Cambridge professor, had received roughly $1 million in tax-payer funded money to write Defense Department foreign policy reports, his attorney Sean Bigley said.

Halper was undoubtedly highly qualified to provide the Defense Department with Foreign Policy reports.
He was also uniquely qualified to be a covert intelligence resource for the US Government, both to the Defense Department and the Counter-Espionage division of the FBI. His European connections and close ties to intelligence operatives around the world via his highly regarded and internationally attended "Cambridge Intelligence Seminar" made him a terrific source for US intelligence and counter-espionage operations.

Adam Lovinger outed his working relationship with the US Gov.

And 1 Million? Over how many years? That is not remarkable.

Why? Lovinger has not given any good reason for leaking that Halper was working with the US Gov.
Lovinger earned having his TS clearance stripped.

Trump's administration stripped him of his TS clearance. Hell Jared went over a year without any clearance along with other WH Staff, yet Trump's WH did not flinch or complain when Lovinger is pulled from the WH post and stripped of his clearance? Not a peep?

I suspect before this story is finished, Adam Lovinger will be exposed as working for the Russian Government.

a reply to: Grambler

Oh this just gets funnier by the day.
Too too funny.

a reply to: soberbacchus

I suspect before this story is finished, Adam Lovinger will be exposed as working for the Russian Government.

So he blew the whistle on himself?

What does Michael Flynn, Carter Page and George Papadopoulos all have in common?

-----Investigated and connected to Stefan Halper

3 strikes and your out!

edit add: They need to investigate this guy Halper, then Christopher Steel and demand the UK turn over everything on Steel.
This stinks to high heaven. When you add in the constant leaks that were designed to take down FLynn. This was a "plot"

a reply to: soberbacchus

Yes comey was a republican too, and we see how much that made him defend trump.

How many times must it be said; republican and democrat are almost irrelevant, it is establishment vs. outsider that is important.

Most of the establishment politicians and intel people despise trump because they fear he is an outsider; their political party is irrelevant to that.

It is obvious that to this day top people in the intel community dislike trump.

And their political party has nothing to do with wanting to silence whistleblowers that want to out their own misdoings.

SO as you point out, this gut was suspended for outing Halper's payments in an INTERNAL review. Unlike the anti trump people in the intel community, he didnt leak to the press.

He brought it up in house, and was let go for that, because the fbi didnt want to acknowledge they paid a spy to investigate trumps team, even before they officially opened the investigation into trumps team.

And halper, that guy you are praising? He had more connections to russia oligarchs connected to putin than most of the people being investigated by the fbi.

Sounds like a good guy to tap when investigated if russian oligarchs are trying to influence an election.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

Oh this just gets funnier by the day.
Too too funny.

I wouldnt use the word funny.

I unlike you are concerned with corruption in our intel community.

Apparently though, your concern with russian influence is only one sided; its ok for hillarys team and the fbi to use people connected to the very russian oligarchs you are saying are so dangerous.

originally posted by: soberbacchus


Your Whistleblower, Adam Lovinger, had his security clearance suspended in May 2017 under the Trump Administration.

Your purported Boogey-Man, Stefan Halper is a lifelong Republican.

Logic is a foreign term for Trump apologists.
All these ridiculous threads pop up every time Trump is in trouble.
They have to keep pushing this crap in order to keep their base mobilized.
All that while ignoring that Trumps closest advisors are turning back on him and abd making deals with the FBI.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: soberbacchus


Your Whistleblower, Adam Lovinger, had his security clearance suspended in May 2017 under the Trump Administration.

Your purported Boogey-Man, Stefan Halper is a lifelong Republican.

Logic is a foreign term for Trump apologists.
All these ridiculous threads pop up every time Trump is in trouble.
They have to keep pushing this crap in order to keep their base mobilized.
All that while ignoring that Trumps closest advisors are turning back on him and abd making deals with the FBI.

I find this arrogance to be hilarious.

You say others lack logic, yet you ignore the entire substance of every thread that shows fbi wrongdoing, and simply make blanket claims such as "they are republicans so they couldnt have wanted to go after trump people" or "This is just a distraction"

I am not ignoring trumps people are making deals with the FBI. If trump is guilty, charge him.

Yet how does that prove the fbi couldnt have engaged in corruption?

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: soberbacchus

Yes comey was a republican too, and we see how much that made him defend trump.

Holy crap. NO.

Country first. Crazy you think the Head of the FBI's job is defend the president from legitmate investigations.

Most of the establishment politicians and intel people despise trump because they fear he is an outsider; their political party is irrelevant to that.

What happened to lefty-liberal-commies yada yada?

Just awesome how Trump supporters toggle to "party doesn't matter" when facts dispute the narrative.

SO as you point out, this gut was suspended for outing Halper's payments in an INTERNAL review. Unlike the anti trump people in the intel community, he didnt leak to the press.

Nope. The internal review was opened into Lovinger because he was talking ("Complaining Internally") about Stefan Halper's work with the FBI and Dept. of Defense. WHY? Why was he chit chatting about some guy named Stefan Halper that consults for DOD and FBI? WHY? Risking his TS Clearance? How many people do you think DOD and FBI counter-espionage use as paid covert consultants or sources? And Lovinger just decided to pick this guy to out?

He brought it up in house, and was let go for that,

Define in-house.

And halper, that guy you are praising? He had more connections to russia oligarchs connected to putin than most of the people being investigated by the fbi.

Which is what made him valuable until Lovinger outed him.
Why did Lovinger out him again?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: soberbacchus

Yes comey was a republican too, and we see how much that made him defend trump.

Holy crap. NO.

Country first. Crazy you think the Head of the FBI's job is defend the president from legitmate investigations.

Right which proves that political party does not mean you will defend or not go after people who are the same political party.

Country first with comey is a joke. Was his book all about country first as well?

Most of the establishment politicians and intel people despise trump because they fear he is an outsider; their political party is irrelevant to that.

What happened to lefty-liberal-commies yada yada?

Just awesome how Trump supporters toggle to "party doesn't matter" when facts dispute the narrative.

I dont recall saying liberal commie or anything like that. Can you show me where I did?

Facts arent disputing the narrative. Thats what you are trying to do; ignore facts because your narrative is a republican wouldnt go after trump or anyone on his team, even when specific evidence of wrong doing is provided.

SO as you point out, this gut was suspended for outing Halper's payments in an INTERNAL review. Unlike the anti trump people in the intel community, he didnt leak to the press.

Nope. The internal review was opened into Lovinger because he was talking ("Complaining Internally") about Stefan Halper's work with the FBI and Dept. of Defense. WHY? Why was he chit chatting about some guy named Stefan Halper that consults for DOD and FBI? WHY? Risking his TS Clearance? How many people do you think DOD and FBI counter-espionage use as paid covert consultants or sources? And Lovinger just decided to pick this guy to out?

No he didnt just pick this guy. He pointed out several people being paid like this, as the article shows. In fact, at least one of them was connected to Chelsea Clitnon, and he thought that is why he got fired.

He saw what he thought was misuse of funds, and reported it internally. And somehow this makes him a bad guy deserving to be fired?

He brought it up in house, and was let go for that,

Define in-house.

Keeping it in the approved agency, as opposed to leaking to the press.

And halper, that guy you are praising? He had more connections to russia oligarchs connected to putin than most of the people being investigated by the fbi.

Which is what made him valuable until Lovinger outed him.
Why did Lovinger out him again?

This was just one person Lovinger "outed".

He did so because he was doing his job and reporting what he thought to be a misuse of funds.

I can not believe that you are cheering for firing whistle blowers who do there job and report misuse of funds to the appropriate agencies.

originally posted by: Grambler


Keeping it in the approved agency, as opposed to leaking to the press.

Link please. What specific agency did he rattle off these FBI and DOD consultants and informants to?

There was a review under the Trump Admin? Is there a public report?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler


Keeping it in the approved agency, as opposed to leaking to the press.

Link please. What specific agency did he rattle off these FBI and DOD consultants and informants to?

There was a review under the Trump Admin? Is there a public report?

What are you talking about?

You are asking me to prove something that no one has alleged.

You are already quoted the relevant parts from this article.

Here is more.

“When Mr. Lovinger raised concerns about DoD’s misuse of Stefan Halper in 2016, he did so without any political designs or knowledge of Mr. Halper’s spying activities,” Bigley told SaraACarter.com. “Instead, Mr. Lovinger simply did what all Americans should expect of our civil servants: he reported violations of law and a gross waste of public funds to his superiors.”

And for that, Bigley said, Lovinger has paid the ultimate price in his 12-year career as a strategist in the Pentagon’s Office of Net Assessment. According to Bigley, shortly after Lovinger began reporting and asking questions about suspicious contracts given to Halper and others, including one person closely associated Chelsea Clinton, his security clearance was suspended

He raised concerns with his SUPERIORS. That is not the press, that is not outside groups.

This is what we ask of all of our government employees; if you see potential wrong doing, tell your bosses.

Yet you think this somehow proves he was shady and he deserves to be fired?


Show me any evidence from anyone making an allegations he went outside his superiors to the press or to other agencies.

If you cant, can you please admit that from the evidence we have available, he was fired for being a whistleblower to his own superiors.

a reply to: Grambler

That is idiotic.

You specifically claimed that he kept it "internal"?

The article you cited is a useless propaganda piece of fake news from a fake news site.

Could some parts be accurate? Sure.

I asked a simple question.

Which person or agency did he out Halper to?

If it was his superiors they certainly would not have had to conduct an "internal review" determining that he shared Top Secret information and they would not have suspended and then revoked his clearance.

What was there to review, investigate or examine? He told his superiors? Then why did they need to investigate to figure out he was the one that was talking?

Complete logic fail in this poorly hacked together deflect-spiracy.

* Much more logical conclusion given all the facts was that once he was posted to the WH, he decided to buddy up to Trump's posse (many of which have zero clearance) by letting them know that Halper was an informant.

He didn't complain to his "superiors", he shared Top Secret information with WH staffers to curry favor.

That is why he was pulled from the WH post and put on a desk and then the review to confirm he was chatty about TS information.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Ok fine.

You think this article is all a lie.

Then surely you will have no difficulty providing an article showing Lovinger broke protocol and went outside what his agency recommends for reporting misuse of funds.

Even if he did go outside, which you have no proof of, you are still cheering for the firing of a whistle blower, even asserting you feel it will be shown he is working for russians, all with not one shred of proof whatsoever.

And I assume then you are also ready to admit, that although you think this article is all a lie, IF you did find out he didnt go to outside organizations, then you would admit this is incredibly shady and worth investigating.

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Xcathdra

I am beginning to think this could indeed be the biggest scandal in American history.

We don't need to just drain the swamp, we need to burn it. Burn it with fire!!!

S&F for the OP... good to know!

Best thing I read today. Thank you for echoing what I believe many people feel deep down but are probably to afraid to say it.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: putnam6

The article says that Lovinger's clearance was downgraded (presumably from TS/SCI down to TS) and he was yanked out of the National Security Council and put back in the "cooler" at DOD on May 1, 2017. He was finally fired in March, 2018. Obama stopped being President in January, 2017. Exactly how did Obama manage to punish Lovinger five months into the Trump administration?


I would think there was some mad scrambling going after the surprise election of Trump, and probably a little departmental CYA.

For the same reason the CEO of a company can move to another one and people under the CEO who still retain their own hiring/firing authority can continue to act.

POTUS cant possibly know and intervene in every single civil servant issue there is. It is impossible given the number of people who work in the executive branch.

As an example look at the DOJ/FBI and what holdovers are still doing.

Exactly, people don't seem to really understand what the "deep state" is.
THIS / is what it is.
Unelected lifer administrators embedded deep into the offices and bureaus of the government exercising their will in accordance with their own agenda. Now that agenda may or may not be coordinated at a high level. Its possible that it just mirrors the agendas of others and they are trying o get to the same outcome, but its not the will of the tax payers that's for sure.


EDIT to add** Posters on threads attempting to deflect the substance of a story by suggesting that "XXX is a republican, so they would not have done this". Well John McCain was supposedly a republican as well and you all have seen the bitterness between he and Trump play out over the last few days. There is a reason RINO and Never-Trumpers are terms commonly used to label establishment Republicans.

a reply to: Grambler

I'll be clear about what I think is going on here.

A) He was not "whistleblowing" about misuse of funds. He was sharing knowledge gleaned from his Top Secret classified work with WH Staff once he was posted there in order to curry favor.

B) He did not share these complaints with his superiors, that was an construct he came up with to frame himself as a whistleblower once he was under "review".

That is why he was pulled after being posted to the WH and put on a desk.

That is why there was a review. If he had formally complained to his rightful superiors, there would be no review necessary to determine if he had inappropriately shared TS information.

That is why Trump and Trump Staff (final authority on security clearances as trump recently demonstrated) did NOTHING, because they knew him getting stripped of clearance was legit.

And if he was concerned about financial abuse at the effen Department of Defense??? Lord, some professor getting 1M over what is likely a decade plus of work is itty, bitty, teeny, tiny. THAT is his outrage? It doesn't hold up as an excuse.

Those are just the big items that are wrong with this idiotic narrative being sold.

Where you aware Trump Appointee Sec. of Defense James Mattis signed off on the complaint against Lovinger and recommended he lose clearance?

And what do you think the Adjudicated Facility Director who reviewed Lovinger's appeal meant by this?

“I have concerns regarding your judgment, trustworthiness and reliability while carrying out your official duties, specifically relating to your personal conduct, misuse of information technology systems, outside activities and your improper handling and safeguard of protected information,”

“Effective immediately, as decided by the chief of staff to the secretary of defense, your detail to the National Security Council is canceled,”

"The consolidated adjudication facility’s case against Mr. Lovinger is contained in a December “Statement of Reason.”

The statement charges Mr. Lovinger with a series of lapses, such as viewing a classified document on a plane trip, sending official documents to his personal email account, trying to undermine the authority of Mr. Baker and refusing to cooperate with Mr. Baker’s investigators.

The consolidated adjudication facility also charges Mr. Lovinger with leaking confidential information that ended up in a news story.

That charge contains no direct evidence. It is based largely on a witness who said, “You might be involved in the unofficial disclosure.” The consolidated adjudication facility concluded that Mr. Lovinger “more likely than not” leaked the information.

www.washingtontimes.com...

Read that carefully.
There are more than one Trump Appointees that signed off on Lovinger getting the boot.

personal conduct,
misuse of information technology systems,
outside activities and
improper handling and safeguard of protected information
also charges Mr. Lovinger with leaking confidential information that ended up in a news story.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Yes did you read that article.

He was not allowed to see any evidnce against him, all 75 pages redacted, which the lawyer says in unprecednted.

He also says that he has never heard of top brass like Westgate taking a personal involvement into cases like this.

Nothing you have pointed to backs up your argument that he leaked info about Halper to the media or trump team.

Not one word of this article backs that up.

In addition, this article says that he in fact did keep this in house and complained internally.

So again, you make assertions that he took this info outside, but have yet to even provide one source that alleges that.

Now it says he was accused based on word of mouth only of leaking a story to the press, but not only does this article show there was no evidence of this other than someones word, it also wouldnt have been the halper story, seeing as how he lost his clearance in 2017, and the halper story came out this year.

In addition, for someone who wants to discredit an article because its a "propaganda piece of fake news from a fake news site" whihc you have provided no evidence for.

However, you have made the claim Lovinger is probably working for russians, something you have provided not even one piece of evidence for.

So perhaps we will take your opinions with a grain of salt.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: soberbacchus

Yes did you read that article.

He was not allowed to see any evidnce against him, all 75 pages redacted, which the lawyer says in unprecednted.

Yah. That must have been a hell of a list of TS info he leaked or shared.

He also says that he has never heard of top brass like Westgate taking a personal involvement into cases like this.

Right including an adjudication review board, Mattis and his staff et al.
EVERYONE agreed he should have his clearance pulled, including multiple Trump Appointees.
And the WH never uttered a word of protest when he was pulled from Security Counsel and stripped of clearance.

What does that tell you?
What do you think "Outside Activities" and "Personal Conduct" mean?
Sending classified material to his personal email address and reading TS docs on a plane are self explanatory.

Nothing you have pointed to backs up your argument that he leaked info about Halper to the media or trump team.

The initial review determined that it was "more likely than not" that he was "involved in the unofficial disclosure" that ended up in a "news story".

In addition, this article says that he in fact did keep this in house and complained internally.

That is what his lawyer says. He also says something about how he did not know Halper's work with the FBI was classified at the time. Weird he is both saying he kept in proper channels while simultaneously setting up an ignorance defense for disclosing classified material.

Meanwhile the actual review determined he was likely leaking to the news media and had sent classified material to his own email addy etc. And whatever his outside activities and personal conduct was referring to.

So again, you make assertions that he took this info outside, but have yet to even provide one source that alleges that.

Now it says he was accused based on word of mouth only of leaking a story to the press, but not only does this article show there was no evidence of this other than someones word, it also wouldnt have been the halper story, seeing as how he lost his clearance in 2017, and the halper story came out this year.

Right. That 75 pages of TS redacted summary explaining why he was stripped of clearance must have said nothing.

Trump Appointees at multiple steps in the process recommending that he lose clearance? Must be deep state corrupted already.

However, you have made the claim Lovinger is probably working for russians, something you have provided not even one piece of evidence for.

Props for including the word "probably". That's right, it is what is probable, but I have not claimed it as fact.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Yes we know, the catch all answer to anything.

Someone involved was appointed by trump or a republican, therefore there could have been no wrongdoing.

Im impressed you think so much of trump that the mere fact he appointed someone means no wrong doing could have taken place.

Meanwhile, you move goal post and dont acknowledge that you still have provided no proof whatsoever for your allegation that Lovinger leaked details about Halper to trumps team or some other outside agency.

And you havent acknowledged Halper, the man you are defending, has significant ties to accused russian spies and oligarchs.

Instead, you have smeared Lovinger as possibly being connected to russians.

And you also label a source fake and propganda with no evidence whatsoever.