Iran says it has full control of Gulf, U.S. Navy does not belong there

a reply to: SecretsoftheBlueApples


Iran's Navy doesn't stand a chance. They would have to be suicidal to try and defend the straits with surface ships . What worries me is they could always mine the Persian gulf like they did in the 80s . But on a much larger scale .

originally posted by: Grimmley
To everyone who says Iran is a joke, needs to watch this.

Yeah you do realize that war game was with a serious handicap to the US forces.

originally posted by: Nyiah
What's good for the goose in international waters is good for the gander, right?

We should have no room to bitch when Russia, Iran, etc decides they're in the right to park it near the US in international water, too.

And Russia does that all the time with Ships and Aircraft to test our and our allies defences and response....and we do the same right back at them.

Your point?

The US should take Iran out already.

Have the USN descend on the region en masse, take out any Iranian "boat" that ventures out beyond 0.5nm from their shoreline, see if they still think they control the Gulf.

a reply to: TheJesuit

why will it be something to watch other than just another country tyrying to protect itself from a global invader?

Iran has not invaded another country in 200 years.

How many countries has the US invaded in the last 50 years?

Far out, either some peple let the media do their thinking for them, they are useful idiots or they are part of the system that seeks to create and maintain never ending war.

originally posted by: Grimmley
To everyone who says Iran is a joke, needs to watch this.

Iran is a joke.
The "fictional Iranian forces" lead by a US general does not equate to Iran's actual forces.

There's two ways it will go for Iran in a war with the USA(and it's allies).
One, it will be wiped out. Suddenly you will see Iran either not exist or exist in a smaller form, as various ethnic or religious minority groups break away. Think of the Kurds, and others. The CIA will have a field day carving it up.

The other option is that Irans military will be knocked out and what's left will be incapable of putting up a serious fight. Iran will descend into chaos like Iraq, along religious, ethnic, and which ever war lord generals want to take control. On a side note, it's amusing that people think the US unintentionally screwed Iraq up the way it did lol. One of the strongest Middle Eastern countries is now a non factor. Duhh, read between the lines. It's so obvious. It was by design.

The US and it's allies, would wipe the floor with the rest of the planet. Even China and Russia.
Even if you restrict it to a conventional war, all that China has going for it is masses of canon fodder. It had heaps of canon fodder against the Japanese too, how'd that work out for them? 22 million dead Chinese.

Do people actually comprehend the capabilities that the United States, with it's allies in toe, has developed and deployed around the world? Even the smallest US allies have capabilities present on their soil, either deployed by America, jointly operated/controlled, or developed on their own...take Australia for example, and do some research on JORN. If Australia has the capability to know when China launches a fart let alone where it's ships are, don't you know think America, and/or America and Australia jointly through their bases, would know?

We are talking about a global apparatus the likes of which the world has never seen before.
Wake up, Iran aint sh**, except for cannon fodder and a future battleground.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: TheJesuit


They hire Bahgdad Bob?

Well, he had to bluster for someone I suppose.

a reply to: TheJesuit

Well control of the Gulf or not Iran is still somewhat surrounded on all sides.



Rather plain whos planning on picking a fight if truth be told.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Eh?

a reply to: mortex

I have more of idea of our capabilities than you think I do. I'll just leave it at that.

a reply to: Grimmley

You sound like a tough cookie what with the Zombie Response Team you present in your avatar LMFAO!

...why even bother saying # like that these days when you'll just be called out for being a keyboard warrior lol?

EDIT
I bow to your hardness fella, wouldn't wanna risk falling out with people in the know.
No chance, that would be suicide.

a reply to: yuppa

Yes, I do. The point is they CAN do some serious damage. In a straight up force on force battle there is not a single country that can stand up to the might of the US military. There hasn't been a straight up force on force battle since WW2. If a country like Iran for instance, decides to strike, it will not be force on force, it will be when we have our hands are the most restricted politically, all one has to do is look at the last 17 years of war.

originally posted by: Grimmley
a reply to: yuppa

Yes, I do. The point is they CAN do some serious damage. In a straight up force on force battle there is not a single country that can stand up to the might of the US military. There hasn't been a straight up force on force battle since WW2. If a country like Iran for instance, decides to strike, it will not be force on force, it will be when we have our hands are the most restricted politically, all one has to do is look at the last 17 years of war.

When you rely on CANs nothing gets done. Iran guard is practiced at swarm tactics. the US navy will also not go barrelling in either. Air war first,destroy gas,oil,water supplies next. blockade all shipping and airplanes as wel as destroying anti ship missile batteries all while dropping depth charges/mines in the gulf itself to destroy those mini subs.

a reply to: yuppa

Did the top brass not handicap the retired general somewhat and then bury/classify the report he produced?

a reply to: mortex

Yes because Russia and China will simply sit back and let the west and the US run amok in Iran?

I dont think so, somehow i imagine that would be the beginnings of a third world war.

a reply to: andy06shake

To the point of the OP, Iran can not pick and choose who uses the Straight in accordance to existing and traditional maritime laws, period, unless the transitioning vessel is in violation of the same applicable laws.

China and Russia won't condone the closing of the roughly 2 mile wide navigable waterway which exists within the Straight.

That said, Iran's comments are pure bluster again. The US has been here before. This president, for what it's worth, is no Nevile-Obama. Politics won't play much into an closure of the Straight.

Mg

Dbbl

a reply to: missed_gear

Exactly, pure bluster.

But should it ever really turn nasty dont expect China and Russia to sit on the sidelines in the same manner as Gulf War I & II, because it simply won't happen in this day of age, not with the rest of the crap and problems associated with the Middle East.

Plus Iran aint Iraq, different terrain and geography, occupation and/or boots on the ground will be fiercely contended. It won't be a cake walk, that's a given.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: missed_gear

Exactly, pure bluster.

But should it ever really turn nasty dont expect China and Russia to sit on the sidelines in the same manner as Gulf War I & II, because it simply won't happen in this day of age, not with the rest of the crap and problems associated with the Middle East.

Plus Iran aint Iraq, different terrain and geography, occupation and/or boots on the ground will be fiercely contended. It won't be a cake walk, that's a given.

Umm both of those conflicts were coalitions to where even if China and Russia protested it would achieve nothing and they knew they would have to go to full scale war over a little in the wall in the Middle East, if we somehow get a coalition like those prior cases I doubt either will risk thermonuclear Armageddon over Iran.

a reply to: BigDave-AR

There is rather a magnitude of a difference between merely protesting and actively responding or supporting Iran should they be invaded by the US.

To be honest i dont really imagine thermonuclear Armageddon is ever on the cards but a limited exchange in the Middle East is not beyond the realm of possibility should it all indeed go breasts up.

That little wall through, apparently its really important else why all the kerfuffle?

It not even in Iran nether, crazy bastards the whole shower of them, us and them. LoL