The power of Kneeling..nfl

There were no chinese made american flags when Francis Bellamy wrote the words ...I pledge allegiance to my flag...

originally posted by: howtonhawky
There were no chinese made american flags when Francis Bellamy wrote the words ...I pledge allegiance to my flag...

maybe it isnt about the flag, maybe it is the anthem.

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originally posted by: howtonhawky
There were no chinese made american flags when Francis Bellamy wrote the words ...I pledge allegiance to my flag...

This is 5yr old level logic

Your post holds no water. The flag is symbolic period, regardless of where its made

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: howtonhawky

It's symbolic and if you're taking it literally, then you have so many other issues.

But maybe we can set up a schedule for some counseling.

Say Tuesday's at 2?

See the receptionist before you log out to set up a schedule.

So in your opinion words do not mean things and if i stood in front of a flag and recited metallica for whom the bell tolls while holding my hand over my heart then i would still be patriotic?

How about if football players just stood before the game during the national anthem and sang some dmx or something then you would be ok dokie with that and watch football again since it is only symbolic and words do not have meaning in the context of a pledge.

I do not feel you are correct and the nudge toward saying someone needs counselling just shows you are not putting forth much effort in thought on this one.

a reply to: howtonhawky

it always suprises me to listen frank say the part "oh no not me, i did it my way'

originally posted by: Damla

originally posted by: howtonhawky
There were no chinese made american flags when Francis Bellamy wrote the words ...I pledge allegiance to my flag...

maybe it isnt about the flag, maybe it is the anthem.

That is what i am pointing out...

The words specifically say to the flag then go on to say what the flag represents.

Even if we changed the wording a bit we would still in many cases be losing power by continuing to salute chinese labor if the flag is from there.

I am only speaking of spiritual power in this thread and i am not questioning anyones patriotism.

I can imagine that many other countries have addressed this issue.

Nope. The stated reason was to protest police brutality. That's what it's always been, and they get power from it because the left loves it and many of the press are left-leaning. It feeds the preferred agenda that the country is founded on racist principles because it was founded by old, dead white guys, so they get all kinds of positive press for it.

That's where the so-called power comes from -- the media hype.

People don't like it for at least two major reasons I can think of.

1. People don't connect the flag and anthem with the police. Law enforcement is just one small aspect of the country, and protesting the flag and anthem disrespects it all. We all have aspects of the country we disagree with, but most of us aren't throwing the entire country out, but that's what a flag/anthem protest signals to many, particularly NFL fans.

2. A lot of other NFL fans resent the politicization of the game. We tend to watch to escape from the relentless onslaught of pink pussy hats, social justice, etc. Those things divide us, but as simple sports fans, we could mostly all agree that a good game of football was just plain awesome. Now, we have to have political disagreements and bitter infighting even there. And we thank the press for hyping and driving this one more than the players, but they've gotten it into their heads that they should get onboard at games too.

originally posted by: Damla
a reply to: howtonhawky

it always suprises me to listen frank say the part "oh no not me, i did it my way'

What??????

a reply to: howtonhawky

you are right.

a reply to: howtonhawky

The pledge has nothing to do with the kneeling, so that was kind of a swing and a miss.

As far as kneeling during the anthem, Meh to me its offensive but it might not be offensive to you, I have a tendency to think of my friends that went off to war and came back different people, or came back feet first. The players obviously think of something else. Like DB since I don't want politics when I watch football I turned off the NFL and haven't looked back instead I do more things with my wife.

The final straw for me were those idiots kneeling during our anthem then standing for god save the queen, England has oppressed more people across a wider area for a longer period of time than the worst police state wannabees in the US have ever dreamed about.

a reply to: howtonhawky

I'm for free speech.

Just not mandated listening.

If someone is saying something I don't want to hear, instead of silencing them, I simply stop listening.

a reply to: ketsuko

i dont think many football fans really care about it that much. but here we are speaking.

a reply to: DBCowboy

yeah, i am sorry. didnt notice. it just flew.

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: howtonhawky


You are not pledging allegiance to the physical flag, your logic is severely lacking.

In our hearts we are not pledging to a piece of cloth but in reality if i say i pledge allegiance to the ship,cup,leaf,or any other item you put in that place it adds up to the words meaning i am pledging to that object.

No, you are not. That idea is completely laughable.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: howtonhawky

The pledge has nothing to do with the kneeling, so that was kind of a swing and a miss.

As far as kneeling during the anthem, Meh to me its offensive but it might not be offensive to you, I have a tendency to think of my friends that went off to war and came back different people, or came back feet first. The players obviously think of something else. Like DB since I don't want politics when I watch football I turned off the NFL and haven't looked back instead I do more things with my wife.

The final straw for me were those idiots kneeling during our anthem then standing for god save the queen, England has oppressed more people across a wider area for a longer period of time than the worst police state wannabees in the US have ever dreamed about.

You have a point but then again you missed the part of the national anthem where you hold your hand over your heart and salute a chinese flag in many cases. So there is much power going to other countries maybe laughing everytime we give our power to them by raising a product made in china then saluting it.

What i highlighted was just to begin the overall conversation.

originally posted by: Damla
a reply to: ketsuko

i dont think many football fans really care about it that much. but here we are speaking.

Ever since ESPN and sports casters like Bob Kostas decided they needed to start preaching about "issues" instead of just talking about sports, I've been getting more and more irritated.

I'm much, much less excited about the NFL than I have been in years past.

I still pay attention to my college alma mater and that's about it for football. It's too bad too because I really developed a passion for the game once I understood some things about how it's played.

a reply to: howtonhawky

The flag (regardless of where it is made) is symbolic, as is the kneeling. To me personally the kneeling is disrespectful but I cannot claim to know the hearts and minds of those who do it. As Americans they have the right to do it and I support that. Also as an American I am privileged to choose what I do and do not watch or buy- and my choice has been to boycott the NFL from the first time Kaepernick took a knee.

a reply to: howtonhawky

Do you know what you remind me of when you make this argument?

You remind me of the Christians who say anyone who throws the devil horns is automatically honoring Satan whether they know what they do or not which, of course, means that every fan of the University of Texas is worshipping Satan every time they throw the "Hook 'Em Horns" sign.

I say it's what's in your heart that matters.