Manafort found guilty on 8 counts, mistrial declared on remaining 10.

originally posted by: crtrvt

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: crtrvt

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: crtrvt
Trump's personal lawyer and campaign chair both found guilty of 8 counts in the same day, wowza. I know one short-fingered vulgarian who won't be sleeping well tonight.

Why? Neither were charged with anything related to Trump or Russia collusion. They were found guilty / plead guilty to financial crimes.

thehill.com...

and when he names Trump get back to me.

Pretty sure the part where he says "in coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal election" spells it out nicely for you. 😉

your own article says Trump was never named. I am not a fan of "leap of logic".

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
So help me out here lefties, I thought Manafort was supposed to flip.

We have 8 charges of fraud, with the rest being thrown out. Not a great ratio.

Nah, he is supposed to get pardoned.

Unfortunately for him he has another trial in Virginia for more charges scheduled and Prosecutors can re-try the 10 counts the Jury couldn't decide on.

So even if he is Pardoned tomorrow, he has more to go.

Trump can wait until he is done with the second trial, but Manafort will be sitting in jail for a while and even then Prosecutors have the 10 charges they can re-try after that.

He is in a pickle and will spend some time in jail Pardon or no Pardon.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Uhm no.. the left kept claiming he would flip on TRump.

As for pardons TRump can end it now by issuing the pardon to negate the second trial.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: carewemust
If this is the best that Bob Mueller can do with finding Russian collusion with Americans, his investigation needs to be terminated.

Nothing Manafort was charged with had anything to do with Trump or Russia collusion.

Oh there is overlap, particularly with the Russian Oligarch Manafort was taking money from.

So "anything to do" is false.

But correct he was not charged in this trial with anything "directly" related to Russian Collusion.

Conclusions about Russian collusion with the Trump Campaign that Manafort was Chairman of are reserved for the Special Counsel's final report.

You really should catch up on what is going on and who is investigating what.

You mean deripaska?

The same one who was palling around with dossier author chris steele, and was having conversations with senate intel vice chair mark warner?

Maybe you can start your own thread on that where your claims can be tested?

Or is the hope to derail?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: carewemust
If this is the best that Bob Mueller can do with finding Russian collusion with Americans, his investigation needs to be terminated.

Nothing Manafort was charged with had anything to do with Trump or Russia collusion.

Oh there is overlap, particularly with the Russian Oligarch Manafort was taking money from.

So "anything to do" is false.

But correct he was not charged in this trial with anything "directly" related to Russian Collusion.

Conclusions about Russian collusion with the Trump Campaign that Manafort was Chairman of are reserved for the Special Counsel's final report.

You really should catch up on what is going on and who is investigating what.

You mean deripaska?

The same one who was palling around with dossier author chris steele, and was having conversations with senate intel vice chair mark warner?

Maybe you can start your own thread on that where you claims can be tested?

Or is the hope to derail?

He can discuss it here and he is not derailing.

Emails Show Christopher Steele Lobbied DOJ Official On Behalf Of Russian Oligarch

Christopher Steele was working on the Trump dossier at the same time he was lobbying DOJ official Bruce Ohr on behalf of a Russian oligarch linked to Putin.
Newly revealed emails show Steele thought the U.S. government should grant visas to Deripaska, who had been barred from traveling to the U.S.
Steele asked Ohr to “keep an eye” on Deripaska’s visa case.

At the same time Christopher Steele was compiling a dossier accusing the Trump campaign of colluding with the Russian government, the former British spy was lobbying Department of Justice official Bruce Ohr on behalf of a Russian oligarch with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The connection between Steele and the oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, is laid out in emails the Justice Department recently provided Congress.

* - The emails show that Steele, a former British spy, advocated for Deripaska in negotiations over his visa status with the U.S. government. Deripaska, an aluminum magnate, had been blocked from traveling to the U.S. in 2006 because of suspected ties to Russian mobsters. Deripaska hired an American lawyer named Adam Waldman in 2009 to lobby the U.S. government to obtain a visa for the billionaire.

The Washington Examiner detailed the exchanges, which show Steele discussing Deripaska with Ohr, the former No. 4 official at the Justice Department.

Emails show 2016 links among Steele, Ohr, Simpson — with Russian oligarch in background

Emails in 2016 between former British spy Christopher Steele and Justice Department official Bruce Ohr suggest Steele was deeply concerned about the legal status of a Putin-linked Russian oligarch, and at times seemed to be advocating on the oligarch's behalf, in the same time period Steele worked on collecting the Russia-related allegations against Donald Trump that came to be known as the Trump dossier. The emails show Steele and Ohr were in frequent contact, that they intermingled talk about Steele's research and the oligarch's affairs, and that Glenn Simpson, head of the dirt-digging group Fusion GPS that hired Steele to compile the dossier, was also part of the ongoing conversation.

The emails, given to Congress by the Justice Department, began on Jan . 12, 2016, when Steele sent Ohr a New Year's greeting. Steele brought up the case of Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska (referred to in various emails as both OD and OVD), who was at the time seeking a visa to attend an Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation meeting in the United States. Years earlier, the U.S. revoked Deripaska's visa, reportedly on the basis of suspected involvement with Russian organized crime. Deripaska was close to Paul Manafort, the short-term Trump campaign chairman now on trial for financial crimes, and this year was sanctioned in the wake of Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election.

"I heard from Adam WALDMAN [a Deripaska lawyer/lobbyist] yesterday that OD is applying for another official US visa ice [sic] APEC business at the end of February," Steele wrote in the Jan . 12 email. Steele said Deripaska was being "encouraged by the Agency guys who told Adam that the USG [United States Government] stance on [Deripaska] is softening." Steele concluded: "A positive development it seems."

Steele also asked Ohr when he might be coming to London, or somewhere in Europe, "as I would be keen to meet up here and talk business." Ohr replied warmly the same day and said he would likely travel to Europe, but not the U .K ., at least twice in February.

Maybe you should keep up with whats going on.

a reply to: crtrvt
Wrong trial. That was Cohen, not Manafort.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: carewemust
If this is the best that Bob Mueller can do with finding Russian collusion with Americans, his investigation needs to be terminated.

Nothing Manafort was charged with had anything to do with Trump or Russia collusion.

Oh there is overlap, particularly with the Russian Oligarch Manafort was taking money from.

So "anything to do" is false.

But correct he was not charged in this trial with anything "directly" related to Russian Collusion.

Conclusions about Russian collusion with the Trump Campaign that Manafort was Chairman of are reserved for the Special Counsel's final report.

You really should catch up on what is going on and who is investigating what.

You mean deripaska?

The same one who was palling around with dossier author chris steele, and was having conversations with senate intel vice chair mark warner?

Maybe you can start your own thread on that where you claims can be tested?

Or is the hope to derail?

No hope to derail at all.

I already said I felt manafort was guilty and deserved to be punished.

I was responding to your claim that his connection to deripaska proves a connection to russian collusion.

If thats the case, then deripaskas connections to steele and mark warner are just as shady.

originally posted by: crtrvt
Trump's personal lawyer and campaign chair both found guilty of 8 counts in the same day, wowza. I know one short-fingered vulgarian who won't be sleeping well tonight.

Add to that Guliani throwing Donnie Jr under the bus.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: crtrvt

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: crtrvt
Trump's personal lawyer and campaign chair both found guilty of 8 counts in the same day, wowza. I know one short-fingered vulgarian who won't be sleeping well tonight.

Why? Neither were charged with anything related to Trump or Russia collusion. They were found guilty / plead guilty to financial crimes.

thehill.com...

and when he names Trump get back to me.

HaHaHa...

Cuz when he pled guilty to knowingly committing federal campaign violations "at the direction of and with coordination of a candidate for federal office"

He was talking about someone else.

Wrong trial, wrong guy. Cohen said that, not Manafort.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Uhm no.. the left kept claiming he would flip on TRump.

As for pardons TRump can end it now by issuing the pardon to negate the second trial.

By "end it" you mean Paul Manafort being convicted for Bank and Tax Fraud charges that any Trump Supporter who hasn't golfed with the President would go to jail for?

Or by "end it" do you mean Trump's time in the WH?

I don't see Trump as that loyal of a guy.

But hey, I kind of hope he goes for it.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
So help me out here lefties, I thought Manafort was supposed to flip.

We have 8 charges of fraud, with the rest being thrown out. Not a great ratio.

Nah, he is supposed to get pardoned.

Unfortunately for him he has another trial in Virginia for more charges scheduled and Prosecutors can re-try the 10 counts the Jury couldn't decide on.

So even if he is Pardoned tomorrow, he has more to go.

Trump can wait until he is done with the second trial, but Manafort will be sitting in jail for a while and even then Prosecutors have the 10 charges they can re-try after that.

He is in a pickle and will spend some time in jail Pardon or no Pardon.

Supposed to pardon him? Where is your source? I only find that Trump refuses to rule it out.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Uhm no.. the left kept claiming he would flip on TRump.

As for pardons TRump can end it now by issuing the pardon to negate the second trial.

By "end it" you mean Paul Manafort being convicted for Bank and Tax Fraud charges that any Trump Supporter who hasn't golfed with the President would go to jail for?

Or by "end it" do you mean Trump's time in the WH?

I don't see Trump as that loyal of a guy.

But hey, I kind of hope he goes for it.

I wonder why Manafort was allowed to walk for so long committing all this fraud. Hmm.

a reply to: soberbacchus

No I am saying a presidential pardon does not have to wait for a trial to occur or for a guilty verdict to be reached. Trump could pardon Manafort right now for everything, including his upcoming second trail, before it even starts.

As I have said several times here and in other threads. Trashing the constitution in order to prosecute Manafort is a non starter, regardless of how guilty manafort is.

originally posted by: xtradimensions
a reply to: crtrvt
Wrong trial. That was Cohen, not Manafort.

Easy to get the criminals in trump's inner circle who were convicted of federal crimes today confused, excuse me!

originally posted by: crtrvt

originally posted by: xtradimensions
a reply to: crtrvt
Wrong trial. That was Cohen, not Manafort.

Easy to get the criminals in trump's inner circle who were convicted of federal crimes today confused, excuse me!

The timing is interesting. For an average American who only follows the news on a loose basis, it could be confusing with both Manafort and Cohen having resolution (found guilty and pleaded guilty respectively) on the same day in the same news cycle.

I am not saying it was arranged or orchestrated, just that it can be confusing.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Uhm no.. the left kept claiming he would flip on TRump.

As for pardons TRump can end it now by issuing the pardon to negate the second trial.

By "end it" you mean Paul Manafort being convicted for Bank and Tax Fraud charges that any Trump Supporter who hasn't golfed with the President would go to jail for?

Or by "end it" do you mean Trump's time in the WH?

I don't see Trump as that loyal of a guy.

But hey, I kind of hope he goes for it.

I wonder why Manafort was allowed to walk for so long committing all this fraud. Hmm.

Its right up there with the mysterious arrest of George Papadopoulos on his way back from Greece after meeting with someone who then gave him 10k+. Instead of taking it with him he passed it to a lawyer in Greece to hold for him. The moment Popadopoulos walked off the airplane in the US the FBI made a probable cause arrest.

Most likely they thought they got him on the money possession and when it wasnt there it threw the FBI for a loop. While the FBI can make PC arrests its not all that common with them, making the encounter highly suspicious.

originally posted by: crtrvt

originally posted by: xtradimensions
a reply to: crtrvt
Wrong trial. That was Cohen, not Manafort.

Easy to get the criminals in trump's inner circle who were convicted of federal crimes today confused, excuse me!

It must be an absolute bitch then keeping up with Democrats.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Uhm no.. the left kept claiming he would flip on TRump.

As for pardons TRump can end it now by issuing the pardon to negate the second trial.

By "end it" you mean Paul Manafort being convicted for Bank and Tax Fraud charges that any Trump Supporter who hasn't golfed with the President would go to jail for?

Or by "end it" do you mean Trump's time in the WH?

I don't see Trump as that loyal of a guy.

But hey, I kind of hope he goes for it.

I wonder why Manafort was allowed to walk for so long committing all this fraud. Hmm.

Its right up there with the mysterious arrest of George Papadopoulos on his way back from Greece after meeting with someone who then gave him 10k+. Instead of taking it with him he passed it to a lawyer in Greece to hold for him. The moment Popadopoulos walked off the airplane in the US the FBI made a probable cause arrest.

Most likely they thought they got him on the money possession and when it wasnt there it threw the FBI for a loop. While the FBI can make PC arrests its not all that common with them, making the encounter highly suspicious.

Papa should have hired Fusion GPS.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Uhm no.. the left kept claiming he would flip on TRump.

As for pardons TRump can end it now by issuing the pardon to negate the second trial.

By "end it" you mean Paul Manafort being convicted for Bank and Tax Fraud charges that any Trump Supporter who hasn't golfed with the President would go to jail for?

Or by "end it" do you mean Trump's time in the WH?

I don't see Trump as that loyal of a guy.

But hey, I kind of hope he goes for it.

I wonder why Manafort was allowed to walk for so long committing all this fraud. Hmm.

He never had an incredibly qualified Special Counsel team crawling up his butt and tracing his dozens of shell and shelf companies that he was laundering money through.

That seems obvious?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Uhm no.. the left kept claiming he would flip on TRump.

As for pardons TRump can end it now by issuing the pardon to negate the second trial.

By "end it" you mean Paul Manafort being convicted for Bank and Tax Fraud charges that any Trump Supporter who hasn't golfed with the President would go to jail for?

Or by "end it" do you mean Trump's time in the WH?

I don't see Trump as that loyal of a guy.

But hey, I kind of hope he goes for it.

I wonder why Manafort was allowed to walk for so long committing all this fraud. Hmm.

He never had an incredibly qualified Special Counsel team crawling up his butt and tracing his dozens of shell and shelf companies that he was laundering money through.

That seems obvious?

With the intelligence apparatus that we have, supplying investigators information on these types of crimes? Nope.