Andrew Cuomo shocks crowd, says America 'was never that great'

a reply to: roadgravel

Preposterous. The two numbers are right there in front of you: 10%, 10%.

The U.S. is good at some things, not so great at others. We're really good at making weapons. So we got that going for us.

a reply to: Blue Shift

It seems you missed the part where we underscored the fact that "great" doesnt inherently mean "good".



I recall many moons ago, someone of some degree of prominence mentioned in passing that Osama Bin Laden was a "great man", and Republican voter types went completely ballistic as if dude said he was a 'GOOD man', and that became the "big story", which of course was hell bent on disregarding the actual definition of "great".

a reply to: Jonjonj

Well, America affects lots of people outside of its borders.

There are more people in the world outside of America than American's themselves, and since America's power and influence extends beyond its borders into places where it is unwelcome, leaving behind either resentment, hostility, or outright disaster, then exactly what is your issue?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Blue Shift

It seems you missed the part where we underscored the fact that "great" doesnt inherently mean "good".

I recall many moons ago, someone of some degree of prominence mentioned in passing that Osama Bin Laden was a "great man", and Republican voter types went completely ballistic as if dude said he was a 'GOOD man', and that became the "big story", which of course was hell bent on disregarding the actual definition of "great".

I got no problem with anybody building weapons. Like it or not, we need them. And we're really, really... well, "proficient"... at making them.

originally posted by: DictionaryOfExcuses
a reply to: roadgravel

Preposterous. The two numbers are right there in front of you: 10%, 10%.

Looks like you got me on that point.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I guess that’s true. We were “great” at slavery. We were “great” at treating women like second class citizens. We were “great” at forcing homosexuals to live a life of secrecy in the closet. We were “great” at our mistreatment of Japanese American citizens during WWII.

Great doesn’t necessarily mean good. Do we really want to be “great” again?

a reply to: Blue Shift

Too bad the US often uses these weapon to make enemies.

originally posted by: BiffWellington
Depends on what you mean by "great". It's certainly been less than great to a lot of people both inside and outside its borders throughout its history. Of course it's been great for some people. Not so much for, say, American slaves, citizens of third-world dictatorships whose rulers were cozy with American business, and the residents of Hiroshima.

Dang , what Century is your reality based in ?
Or what Universe in the Multiverse ?
Sure ain't this one. Slave days have well been over and WW 2 ended some time ago.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I guess that’s true. We were “great” at slavery. We were “great” at treating women like second class citizens. We were “great” at forcing homosexuals to live a life of secrecy in the closet. We were “great” at our mistreatment of Japanese American citizens during WWII.

Great doesn’t necessarily mean good. Do we really want to be “great” again?

Yep . Everyone grows wise by looking at their mistakes...
The US as well
All that was put to rest
What Century do you live in ?

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: BiffWellington
Depends on what you mean by "great". It's certainly been less than great to a lot of people both inside and outside its borders throughout its history. Of course it's been great for some people. Not so much for, say, American slaves, citizens of third-world dictatorships whose rulers were cozy with American business, and the residents of Hiroshima.

Dang , what Century is your reality based in ?
Or what Universe in the Multiverse ?
Sure ain't this one. Slave days have well been over and WW 2 ended some time ago.

So, in what century was American great for everyone? What century do we want to model to make it “great again”?

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I guess that’s true. We were “great” at slavery. We were “great” at treating women like second class citizens. We were “great” at forcing homosexuals to live a life of secrecy in the closet. We were “great” at our mistreatment of Japanese American citizens during WWII.

Great doesn’t necessarily mean good. Do we really want to be “great” again?

Yep . Everyone grows wise by looking at their mistakes...
The US as well
All that was put to rest
What Century do you live in ?

So, it was never really all that great, was it?

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: Blue Shift

Too bad the US often uses these weapon to make enemies.

True, but also friends.

Only thing the US leads in is prison population, military spending and debt.



O and arrogance.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I guess that’s true. We were “great” at slavery. We were “great” at treating women like second class citizens. We were “great” at forcing homosexuals to live a life of secrecy in the closet. We were “great” at our mistreatment of Japanese American citizens during WWII.

Great doesn’t necessarily mean good. Do we really want to be “great” again?

Hey lets dredge up the entirety of the hundreds of years of in's and out's of the history of all of those things, and dwell in it, and label it "progressivism" (which is supposedly about "progress").

Despite the fact that the all of that state of affairs that has been the story of Homo sapiens this nation has more or less led the charge in improving all that kind of noise.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: BiffWellington
Depends on what you mean by "great". It's certainly been less than great to a lot of people both inside and outside its borders throughout its history. Of course it's been great for some people. Not so much for, say, American slaves, citizens of third-world dictatorships whose rulers were cozy with American business, and the residents of Hiroshima.

Dang , what Century is your reality based in ?
Or what Universe in the Multiverse ?
Sure ain't this one. Slave days have well been over and WW 2 ended some time ago.

So, in what century was American great for everyone? What century do we want to model to make it “great again”?

In what Century have you done well every single moment and not made any mistakes ?
A country is made up of individuals.Why should one be any different than an individual ?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yes, things have improved, although there’s still room for more improvement.

My point is, when was America great, or even good - for everyone?

originally posted by: Gothmog

What Century do you live in ?

a reply to: seeker1963

A revamped CNN scientific poll process was revealed this morning. The terrorist network says that this NEW POLL METHODOLOGY has Democrats with an 11 point lead over Republicans, leading into the mid-terms.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Where and when has it been any better?

Where and when was there not room for improvement for everyone??

FFS!