Mueller Team Sure Seems to be Looking to Indict Roger Stone

This is just a quick observation. I have some ideas as to what the angle might be but what seems obvious is that they're trying to indict him for something.

So today, one of the things that's happening is that "Manhattan Madam" Kristin Davis is testifying before the grand jury in the Mueller probe. This was a pretty quick turnaround after voluntarily speaking with the Mueller team in an interview last week.

Manhattan Madam’ Kristin Davis Testifying Before Grand Jury

She has a history with Stone going back some years. Among her clients was then NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer. I'm not sure how/when Stone and Davis first became acquainted but it was Stone who tipped off the FBI about Spitzer's habits in a November, 2007.

In 2010, Roger Stone was Davis's campaign manager in a novelty campaign for governor of NY. More recently (and somewhere in between she was arrested on drug trafficking charges), she has been an assistant to Stone though she claims that she wasn't working for him during the 2016 campaign timeframe.

Also in the news today, radio host Roger Credico, an associate of both Roger Stone and Julian Assange, has been subpoenaed by the Muller Team. The story here is that Stone contacted Credico and asked him to act as an intermediary with Assange. From what I recall, Credico claims that he basically told Stone he'd do what he was asked and then didn't do anything.

Mueller subpoenas Randy Credico, who Roger Stone says was his WikiLeaks back-channel

And now it's being reported that Andrew Miller, a former aide to Roger Stone, refused to comply with a subpoena and is being held in contempt of court:

Roger Stone associate Andrew Miller held in contempt for ducking Mueller grand jury

Now it certainly looks like this all has something to do with Roger Stone's communications with Assange/WikiLeaks but something that is less discussed is that Roger Stone was in communication with "Guccifer 2.0" and was given access to stolen data from the DCCC hack, which he admits to having looked at but claims to have not passed along to anyone else. More about that in my thread here.

Also, it should be noted that Roger Stone lied to Congress — not that the toothless congressional committees seem interested in having prosecuted for that particular crime.

I guess we'll see.

a reply to: theantediluvian

How is roger stone connected to russians or turmp?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Mueller had better hurry up. His days as special prosecutor are coming to an end soon.

Not surprising. He HAD to have seen this coming — his lackey went on Erin Burnett 3 - 4 months ago and said as much.

Got to stream Get Me Roger Stone last Saturday on Netflix...from your conscientious observer to your neo-nazi, everyone should watch that documentary. He’s a genius to some and a savage to others, what he isn’t is a “low-level adviser”.

My $0.02: Stone and Trump were perfect for each other — for better or worse — and no way Stone rolls; Stone didn’t do himself any favors playing semantics with Chuck Todd on Meet The Press (f$cking A, it’s been over a year?). I’m also working under the assumption Rudy got the heads up on this — a week or so back — which matches up pretty well with the ‘no interview/you’ll ask our questions’-approach. No way the prez capitulates to an interview now.

As the kids say, “get your popcorn 🍿 out”.

I have no doubt there is a sealed indictment with his name on it, he's just too dirty and too connected. And he did admit to have been in contact with Guccifer, as you said, which we now know to be one of the 12 Russian military agents indicted previously.

I just don't know why the wait on the indictment. I would imagine the investigation and the team are busy enough as it is, a sealed indictment can lie unopened for a little while to see what else comes up. I doubt he is one to turn or take a deal, he's been too dirty for too long.

Oh look.....another fishing expedition based on un verified information from a whore.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Is this another indictment not related to the Russians attempting to influence the election?
Oh goodie.
Was Stone investigated in 2005 also?

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Roger Stone and Donald Trump go way back, almost as far back as Roger Stone and Paul Manafort. Stone first met Donald Trump in 1979 when he was Reagan's campaign director for NY, NJ and CT. He met Trump's mentor and for many years, personal lawyer, Roy Cohn, at a party and was later invited to Cohn's office.

Cohn introduced him to Trump and his father Fred.

The next year, Stone, Manafort and Charles Black (who has worked on the campaigns of Reagan, Bush 41, McCain in 2008, Romney in 2012 and Kasich in 2016) formed their firm, Black, Manafort and Stone (later, Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly — Kelly being Democratic operative/lobbyist Peter Kelly).

In the 90s, Roger Stone worked as Donald Trump's personal lobbyist for his casino ventures. He also had encouraged Trump to run for office a number of times, including in 2000 when he was Trump's campaign manager for a very brief (and aborted) run at the Reform Party nomination.

He was originally part of the recent Trump campaign but they *apparently* had a following out over some of Stone's media appearances and he was fired a month or two in (Summer of 2015).

After that, Stone basically embedded at Infowars and continued campaigning for Trump from there.

I'm not aware of any specific connections Stone has to Russia except being in direct contact with "Guccifer 2.0" as mentioned in the OP and detailed in another thread. He was no longer in business with Manafort by the time Manafort began his work for Yanukovych/Ukraine/Deripaska/Russia/etc.

Considering that Federal Grand Juries indict 99.99 of all cases a prosecutor presents, one can expect an indictment of anyone who a prosecutor presents before the Grand Jury.

Grand juries, at least at the federal level, almost always vote to indict people accused by prosecutors of a crime. As you can see in the chart above, federal prosecutors pursued over 160,000 cases against defendants in 2009-2010 (the last period for which there is data), and grand juries only voted not to return an indictment in 11

www.washingtonpost.com... 7ebffe0

It's my opinion that Grand Juries are very much abused by Prosecutors at both the State and Federal levels. You are not allowed an attorney to be present, the juries are suppose to be secret, but always leak.

You can indict a tennis show or ham sandwich as well as a Russian Company that did not even exist when the alleged crime occurred. I would be very surprised to not see a number of indictments, convictions, not so sure of

a reply to: shooterbrody

Is this another indictment not related to the Russians attempting to influence the election?

No, if he's indicted, it will be related to the Russian interference campaign. As I said in the OP, he was in direct communication with "Guccifer 2.0" who shared with him stolen data (voter data in particular) from the DCCC hack.

That's all been admitted.

He also is known to have tried to reach out directly to Julian Assange through Roger Credico to see if he could get material directly from WL. There's a lot going on there and it's really hard to tell how much of it was Roger Stone bull#ting because, well, for all the stuff he's actually done in his life, there's an equally large or larger pile of bragging about things he didn't do. He claimed to multiple people that he'd been in direct contact with Assange at a time when it appears that he was not. Though there was some reporting that he actually knew about the Podesta emails before the general public (and I'm not referring to the "Podesta's time in the barrel" tweet though, that would be related).

Later on, he actually did get in contact with WL through Twitter DM though it doesn't seem like anything came of it.

I'm honestly not sure what he could be indicted for unless he's lying about passing along data stolen from the DCCC. That could be a problem. If he sent it to anyone in the Trump campaign, that could be a *real* problem. That said, Roger Credico wouldn't have anything to do with that AFAIK so it seems like they're looking into the communications with WikiLeaks. So your guess is as good as mine.

And if you're wondering, even if he had something to flip with that could be directly damaging to Trump, I think Stone is probably the last person who would actually flip. He was the youngest person implicated in Watergate and he remained loyal to Nixon until Nixon's death. He's even got a tattoo of Nixon on his back. He's been close with Trump for decades and I just don't see it.

They're definitely interested in getting to the bottom of whatever with Stone but the reason I think the reason I think I really think they might be pursuing an indictment is that a week after interviewing Kristin Davis, they've got her in front of the grand jury.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Dude, you forgot to toss in amyl nitrates and the sex club/hookers/cuckhold thingy in your abridged history of Stone. C’mon, Ante (fear not, I would never mistakenly call you “anti” like most of the drive-by types do)...it may be Friday but that’s no excuse to ‘phone it in’ — the disinterested observer needs some slanted context. Doh!

a reply to: theantediluvian
No, if he's indicted, it will be related to the Russian interference campaign. 

So Rod Rosenstein is a liar?
Or are these "different" russians?

time.com...

The conspirators created fictitious online personas, including “DCLeaks” and “Guccifer 2.0,” and they used them to release information including thousands of stolen emails and other documents, beginning in June 2016. The defendants falsely claimed that DCLeaks was a group of American hackers and that Guccifer 2.0 was a lone Romanian hacker. In fact, both were created and controlled by the Russian GRU.

There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result.

Hmm....
But yeah russia

a reply to: theantediluvian

Roger Stone and Donald Trump go way back, almost as far back as Roger Stone and Paul Manafort. S

So do Trump and Clinton.

Indict her!



Since guilt by association is en vogue.

Tuesday, April 28, 2020

Roger Stone reveals that he was charged with crimes solely because he would not fabricate lies about former candidate (now President) Donald J. Trump, during the Bob Mueller special counsel investigation.

Longtime Trump ally Roger Stone gave an explosive interview to the Sara Carter Show Monday, revealing that Special Counsel Prosecutor Jeannie Rhee had tried to pressure him on the contents of 29 phone conversations he shared with his good friend President Donald Trump, during Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

He told this reporter that he refused to lie to the FBI and Special Counsel prosecutors against his friend and in the end that’s why the prosecutors brought erroneous charges against him that had nothing to do with their now-debunked Russia probe.

Stone, who is supposed to begin his 3-year jail sentence Friday, has seen his life and that of his family turned upside down.

He has lost his home, his life savings, his insurance and his ability to make an income. He said in the end, he wonders if he’ll survive his jail sentence as a 67-year-old man due to the COVID19 outbreak, while others like disgraced lawyer Michael Avenatti have been released for 90 days due to the outbreak.

More at: saraacarter.com... (4-27-2020)

It's now confirmed that the FBI used Gestapo tactics against President Trump's National Security Advisor, General Michael Flynn, by threatening his son, and also Roger Stone.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: theantediluvian

How is roger stone connected to russians or turmp?

TODAY we know he was not
IT WAS ALL BS