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Asylum claims have expanded too broadly to include victims of “private violence,” like domestic violence or gangs, Mr. Sessions wrote in his ruling, which narrowed the type of asylum requests allowed. The number of people who told homeland security officials that they had a credible fear of persecution jumped to 94,000 in 2016 from 5,000 in 2009, he said in a speech earlier in the day in which he signaled he would restore “sound principles of asylum and longstanding principles of immigration law.”
“The prototypical refugee flees her home country because the government has persecuted her,” Mr. Sessions wrote in his ruling. Because immigration courts are housed under the Justice Department, not the judicial branch of government, he has the authority to overturn their decisions.
“An alien may suffer threats and violence in a foreign country for any number of reasons relating to her social, economic, family or other personal circumstances,” he added. “Yet the asylum statute does not provide redress for all misfortune.”
Relatively few asylum seekers are granted permanent entry into the United States. In 2016, for every applicant who succeeded, more than 10 others also sought asylum, according to data from the Department of Homeland Security. But the process can take months or years, and tens of thousands of people live freely in the United States while their cases wend through the courts.
originally posted by: Echo007
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: SocratesJohnson
What makes you think this woman and her child are illegal. All the article says is that they're asylum seekers from El Salvador.
They were denied an asylum hearing based on Session's new rule eliminating domestic violence and gang violence victims from seeking asylum. The ACLU, with this woman as their client, is suing the DOJ because of that (arbitrary) rule change, which goes against our international refugee treaties and federal law that incorporated refugee/asylum procedure.
Why not seek asylum in a country near by, why come all the to the US. We all know why, they want free handouts from US that's why.
Let's take a page out of Mexico book, send the illegals up to Canada border.
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Kharron
In a way I can understand the judge's point of view. On a practical level, how is he planning to enforce it? Arrest Jeff Sessions? Sessions controls the Justice Dept and all of federal law enforcement.
Can Trump pardon a contempt charge?
It won't come to it, the article says that they are being returned, but it took threats of contempt to get the government to comply. This is happening in multiple States now and federal judges, most of them Republican, have had to uphold the law when the government tries to go around it. Deportations, separations, forced medications etc...
It is beyond disturbing that so many judges have had to get involved so far.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: toms54
Its complete bull#. Illegals sueing our gover ment.
Get the hell out of here.
So laws be damned , spoken like a true authoritarian, you don't get to pick and choose which laws are followed based on your feelings....
But not folks illegally in the US
You really need to leave interpreting the US Constitution to the US Supreme Court .
Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.
That a few constitutional rights may be specifically reserved to citizens underscores the broader principle that the vast majority are not. There would be no need to specify such a reservation if the Constitution had a default rule limiting rights to citizens.
In reality, the vast majority of rights outlined in the Constitution are phrased as general limitations on government power, not special protections for a specific class of people — be they citizens or some other group.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Illegal - An illegal immigrant/alien is a person who has entered a country without government permission. Ergo , Also a Criminal . That Entails ANYONE who tries to Entr the Country WITHOUT PERMISSION Froggy.................
What proof do you have that the women in this case, an asylum seeker, entered the country without government permission, i.e. at the border crossing? Do you think that all asylum seekers are "illegals"?
originally posted by: Xtrozero
Can someone seek asylum for domestic abuse? Seems we have about a few billion around the planet we need to round up if that is the case, plus why does a person need to come all the way across Mexico to America to seek asylum for domestic abuse?
originally posted by: SailorJerry
Its like these judges dont actually know how the legal system works.
How can you become a judge, that helps decide a persons future, sometimes to the point of death, but not know how the American Legal system works up to the Supreme Court?
originally posted by: toms54
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Illegal - An illegal immigrant/alien is a person who has entered a country without government permission. Ergo , Also a Criminal . That Entails ANYONE who tries to Entr the Country WITHOUT PERMISSION Froggy.................
What proof do you have that the women in this case, an asylum seeker, entered the country without government permission, i.e. at the border crossing? Do you think that all asylum seekers are "illegals"?
Yes. They are illegal until granted asylum.
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org...
Overall, the asylum process can take years to conclude. In some cases, a person may file his or her application and receive a hearing or interview date years in the future.
originally posted by: toms54
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: toms54
Its complete bull#. Illegals sueing our gover ment.
Get the hell out of here.
So laws be damned , spoken like a true authoritarian, you don't get to pick and choose which laws are followed based on your feelings....
We can't sue Saudi Arabia over 9/11 but Mexicans can sue us for their own domestic violence? How does that figure?
originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Kharron
The Fifth Amendment then says that "no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." This means that if someone seeks justice in our court of law and files a lawsuit in our courts, they are Constitutionally protected.
Only if they are citizens.
The Constitution provides no exception for illegals
The Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its territory the equal protection of the laws. This means that a state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances. The Federal Government must do the same, but this is required by the Fifth Amendment Due Process.
The point of the equal protection clause is to force a state to govern impartially—not draw distinctions between individuals solely on differences that are irrelevant to a legitimate governmental objective. Thus, the equal protection clause is crucial to the protection of civil rights.
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: toysforadults
Is U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan of Washington a Democrat?
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: toysforadults
Is U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan of Washington a Democrat?
Probably appointed by clinton. But DC courts tend to lean left anyway. However having said that you can't remove people from the country who are in the middle of a court case. They have the right to have their case heard.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: toms54
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: toms54
Its complete bull#. Illegals sueing our gover ment.
Get the hell out of here.
So laws be damned , spoken like a true authoritarian, you don't get to pick and choose which laws are followed based on your feelings....
We can't sue Saudi Arabia over 9/11 but Mexicans can sue us for their own domestic violence? How does that figure?
That's simple, there is no real evidence Saudi Arabia were behind the 911 attack.
originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Kharron
Illegal immigrants do have constitutional rights -- but not all of the rights of citizens. For example deportation can occur without going to court. Congress has full authority to regulate immigration without interference from the courts. The Supreme Court has long held that immigration law is largely immune from judicial review. Congress can make rules for immigrants that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Zanti Misfit
The article doesn't say that she entered the country illegally. So, there's no reason to assume that she did, or argue that because she's illegal, she has no rights. It wouldn't matter anyway, because illegal entry doesn't affect an asylum seeker's claim.
It does say, however, that she's seeking asylum because of gang violence or domestic abuse. But, Jeff Session's new rule eliminates gang violence and domestic abuse as eligible claims for asylum. This woman is being represented by the ACLU to challenge Session's new rule, but the DOJ deported her before her case could be heard.