Fox & Friends Poll Designed to Discredit Medicare for All Explodes in Their Face

a reply to: CynConcepts

Health insurance premiums disappear, taxes go up.

But everyone will pay taxes and everyone is covered and costs go down.

a reply to: Throes

people distrust the government in just about every way, but by golly, we trust them with our health care 100%. what a joke.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: FyreByrd

President Trump should join Democrats on the "Medicare for All" bandwagon. That would be VERY SMART!

Trump join with the socialist on anything; you think that would be VERY SMART? Yeah, let's have health care like those communist Canadians; so smart!!

Actually I have just read some articles where the Canadians are realizing that may not have been the smartest of ideas. The Ontario region in specific.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: FyreByrd

President Trump should join Democrats on the "Medicare for All" bandwagon. That would be VERY SMART!

Trump join with the socialist on anything; you think that would be VERY SMART? Yeah, let's have health care like those communist Canadians; so smart!!

Medicare-for-all wouldn't be like the Canadian system. Roughly 75% of the people on Medicare are satisfied with it.

Those who don't want Medicare can buy a private plan customized to their needs/budget.

It's a NO-BRAINER for President Trump to embrace a 2-tiered system like this. In fact, he did so before becoming President.

a reply to: CharlesT

Actually, no, no it doesn't.

Hmmm, maybe our neighbor Canada has this all figured out?

If Universal Health Care Is The Goal, Don't Copy Canada - Forbes

www.forbes.com...

One aspect of the health care debate in the United States that is, unfortunately, riddled with misinformation is the state of Canada’s single-payer health care system. Too often advocates of Canadian-style health care in the U.S. present limited or even misleading information about the true state of Canada’s health care system and worse, often times present the ideal of Canadian health care rather than its reality.

The Inconvenient Truths About Canadian Health Care

www.conferenceboard.ca...

How healthy is the Canadian health-care system?

nationalpost.com...
Long wait times - A landscape of chronic disease - Aging population, increasing costs


So instead of just saying 'free healthcare' do anyone of you proponents have a new model? A new system to ensure the select few aren't profiting at the expense of everyone else?

It is very easy to just say 'free healthcare' but lets see the ideas of implementation that will keep this sustainable past 10 years that continues to offer a quality product.

My wife had an appt and they found she has an enlarged thyroid on Monday. She’s going to get an ultrasound this weekend.

The above will not happen in a socialized health care world.

Everyone here is failing to realize that we spend way more of our GDP on military expenditures than any of the examples within this thread. In no way do a I want to give the government over 50% of my income.

a reply to: ClovenSky


The people who want Medicare should be able to enroll in it. Let them judge for themselves over a few years, if they like it. Private Insurance will be available if they choose to leave Medicare.

a reply to: Throes

If you pay health insurance (privatized socialism) you give 20-30% of the premiums to the insurance co to shuffle paper. Medicare does it for 1.5%.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: CharlesT

Actually, no, no it doesn't.

Really? You don't have to respond to that question. Search your soul and validate that reply to yourself.

If you want to see how government sponsored healthcare is working in the U.S. take a look at the VA.

If that is the kind of care you want then go ahead and make it healthcare for all. But in doing so you will not get the same kind of care that you get now.

I can see the benefit and the downfalls of such a system.

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: Throes

If you pay health insurance (privatized socialism) you give 20-30% of the premiums to the insurance co to shuffle paper. Medicare does it for 1.5%.

You don’t think Medicare will have to increase costs to support the entire country?

I’ll sign up for this crap if i can opt out of Social Secuirty and invest my own money myself.

a reply to: carewemust

For that to be a good experiment, all of the medical care and doctors/facilities would also need to be separate from the private sector.

Once you mix in that money stream from the government into the same string of doctors/facilities that everyone uses, it will create vast distortions around whatever the government considers necessary. They will react to the majority at the expense of the minority, just like all democracies do.

If you could completely separate the two, excellent. If we are theorizing here, maybe 3 sections. One for those that love our government and believe they are good/benevolent. One for those that wish to hedge their bets with insurance. Finally one for those of us that wish to go to an all cash model.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Look at the boon to smallish business - no need to provide health care (beyond the added business part of medicare) no Worker's Comp insurance. Those two alone would increase the viability of small business in this country.

No more need for medical coverage on auto and home policies either... nor any need really for anyone to claim or sue for medical expenses in any situation. I would think that would go for medical malpractice insurance as well -- at least for recovering any medical expenses to correct the malpractice.

How many middle men and paper pushers would that also eliminate? And therefore further reduce costs...

An added benefit (hopefully) would be that more people could afford to stay home and take care of the elderly and disabled, thus saving those costs as well. I'd actually like to see something done towards that end regardless. The more folks we can keep at home, rather than institutionalized, the better for everyone.

a reply to: highvein

The VA does a great job and the majority of ex-mil like it. There is a reason horror stories hit the press, and mundane everyday satisfied "customers" go unpublished.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: carewemust

For that to be a good experiment, all of the medical care and doctors/facilities would also need to be separate from the private sector.

Once you mix in that money stream from the government into the same string of doctors/facilities that everyone uses, it will create vast distortions around whatever the government considers necessary. They will react to the majority at the expense of the minority, just like all democracies do.

If you could completely separate the two, excellent. If we are theorizing here, maybe 3 sections. One for those that love our government and believe they are good/benevolent. One for those that wish to hedge their bets with insurance. Finally one for those of us that wish to go to an all cash model.

I actually like the sound of that last bit. Choice to opt out, or opt in........freedom is a good thing

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: highvein

The VA does a great job and the majority of ex-mil like it. There is a reason horror stories hit the press, and mundane everyday satisfied "customers" go unpublished.

Everyone I know that is ex military hates it.

a reply to: atsgrounded

1.5%, well that makes sense. Have you seen the budgetary problems for medicare? I think the last reading was for it to be completely insolvent within 8 years at this point and that is probably prolonged due to accounting magic of epic levels.

Once again, this money will be created out of thin air when the 'magic' accounting is no longer able to be hid. What happens to the value of the dollar you are currently holding or have in savings when new money is created out of thin air? I wonder that when the purchasing power of your savings declines, if that would have an adverse impact on your health? How would that affect a 70+ year old that has free health care, but has to eat cat food because their savings is worthless anymore? Maybe that mental stress leads to physical ailments?